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To: bentway who wrote (247470)	3/15/2014 5:45:39 PM
From: spiral3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542147

No one seems to actually KNOW any answers, that they can PROVE. No one has come back from death with them. Instances of NDE’s are well documented. These are people who have been declared clinically dead, ie Scientifically, Defined As Dead, but then they’ve reanimated – oops! The Buddhist view otoh, is that those who’ve been through an NDE, haven’t yet crossed the threshold of death, which is defined as the point where consciousness permanently leaves the body, ie they were never actually dead, are not dead, yet. Their proof comes via the direct experience of non-duality, and lies in the empirical, corroborated observations of ‘contemplative scientists’ who have lived out similar experiences for long periods of time, and who can describe in great detail, the various stages of death, and the intermediate stage, between death and rebirth. But to access the proof, you have to do the work.

To: bentway who wrote (247470)	3/15/2014 7:32:08 PM
From: koan	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 542147

I agree. As mentioned before, Bertrand Russell arguably the most totally educated person of the last century and who lived to be 96 said: I searched my whole life and I found nothing." paraphrased except for the nothing part :>). I have also searched and found nothing. You and I are probably the only two people on SI who have read Gurdjieff. Ouspensky was one of his students. They are both right, IMO, about people living "their lives in a state of hypnotic "waking sleep" Sometimes I feel I can sort of see that illusion. en.wikipedia.org