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To: Wayners who wrote (775101)	3/15/2014 6:45:17 PM
From: combjelly	1 Recommendation Recommended By Wayners Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572970

the fraction of our lives to the life of the universe as x approaches infinity is mathematically equal to 0 Say what? The phrase you are looking for is "approaches 0". Which is a very different thing. When entropy hits a maximum and all the protons decay, I suppose that is pretty indistinguishable from "the end of the universe". But that doesn't mean it is the end. Good job though. I hadn't seen such reasoning since my hash smoking days...

To: Wayners who wrote (775101)	3/15/2014 8:01:03 PM
From: koan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572970

<<You brought up something I've thought about and that's the nature of mathematical limits. If the universe continues in existence to infinity, then you and I don't exist. If our lifespans are 100 years and the lifespan of the universe is x, then the limit of 100/x, the fraction of our lives to the life of the universe as x approaches infinity is mathematically equal to 0. That means our life fraction is really equal to zero and we don't exist. But we know we do exist, so seems to me that there is no way the universe can have a lifespan of infinity and has to end at some time.>> Let me give you a different way of thinking about it. If time is an illusion then if you ever existed you will always exist; as well, "the physicist's say" quantum equations lead straight to a multiverse. Now I don't know what that means specifically, but a multiverse always made sense to me. It's size and complexity is what advanced sentient beings would need to survive. So in that scenario, you and I exist in an almost infinite variety of universes. The more I think about the whole thing though, I keep putting more probability on us being virtual in someone elses game. Because some sentient being surly could do that! I think it helps to work outside the box with logic for very estoric questions we cannot get at straight through. E.g. I will present some logic to you and you try and find where it doesn't make sense. If it makes sense then you have to keep going with the stream of logic as a possibility. Like this: we know biology can think because we think. We also know the thinking gets bigger and faster and we can create machines that do that better and better too. So we have to assume biology evolving to thinking organisms happens all the time. All over the universe, and the complexity just keeps increasing. For infinity!!!; and probably at some point metamorphosis into pure consciousness in the form of energy of some kind, or something we don't know about. So there must be a much larger and complex universe to contain all this thinking, and it also probably means consciousness is another system in the universe/s.