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To: Richard S. Schoenstadt who wrote (7203)12/11/1997 10:53:00 PM
From: Rainforest  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 31646
 
Interesting bit from the WSJ:

December 10, 1997

Group Seeks a Limit on Damages
Related to Millennium-Bug Suits

By MITCHEL BENSON
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

SACRAMENTO -- An influential business lobbying group and a Republican assemblyman are teaming up to try to restrict the liability in an expected avalanche of lawsuits triggered by the millennium-bug problem -- computers unable to read the year 2000.

Brooks Firestone, a Los Olivos Republican, is expected to introduce legislation next month that his staff says is designed to sharply curtail damage awards in most so-called Y2K (Year 2000) suits.

According to the current draft language now being discussed, the legislation would prohibit punitive damages and payments for pain and suffering. In addition, it would expressly limit awards only to cases of bodily injury and to reflect costs "reasonably incurred" to test, reprogram and replace relevant computers and software.

Those drafting the measure say that this latter provision -- a departure from current law -- would be the most effective way to rein in economic damage claims stemming from Year 2000 troubles.

Decaying Meat

It would work like this: Say, for example, a butcher shop has a freezer full of steaks. And say that freezer shuts down at midnight on Dec. 31, 1999, because of a Y2K malfunction in a computer system. Under existing law, the butcher could recover the value of the meat as "consequential damages." But under the Firestone draft, the butcher could recover only the costs of fixing the computer system that failed.

Just how wedded Mr. Firestone and industry officials are to this element of the legislation isn't clear, however.

"This is going to be a difficult bill" to pass, says Leon Page, an aide to Mr. Firestone. And if giving up on the consequential-damages restriction means getting the rest of the measure implemented, he adds, "we're willing to bargain that chip away."

That tort-reform proponents are starting to grapple with the Year 2000 issue makes perfect sense, given that California is so well known for being home to two things: computer companies and a litigious population. "This is not in any way a bill to absolve people of liability," says John Sullivan, president of the Association for California Tort Reform, the group sponsoring the measure. "But no one reasonably should want this thing to turn into a litigation circus."

Yet Rick Simons, president of the 4,000-member Consumer Attorneys of California, finds it ironic that Mr. Sullivan's group is pushing legislation whose current form "seeks to limit businesses from recovering actual damages." That position, he says, is "certainly anti-small business and seems to me to be generally antibusiness."

Even if the bill was to allow for the recovery of consequential damages -- a change Mr. Sullivan appears willing to make -- Mr. Simons says he's still doubtful that his organization could support it. "I'm not sure why we'd want to prejudge cases in any fashion ... when we don't really know what the underlying facts are," says the Hayward personal-injury attorney.

Problem of Space

The legal and technical ramifications of the Year 2000 problem date to the beginning of the computer age, when magnetic storage of information was expensive and capacity limited. So software writers conserved space by using only two digits instead of four to denote calendar years. But as 1999 turns into 2000, many software applications are expected to malfunction or freeze up altogether as "99" becomes "00."

The computer industry is sure to be supportive of the Firestone bill. But many software and hardware makers may well choose to do their lobbying behind the scenes. Computer companies "are very strange about not wanting to go public on this issue," says Vito Peraino, a Los Angeles lawyer who heads the 12-member Year 2000 working group at his firm, Hancock Rothert & Bunshoft. "They don't want their competitors to know they may have a Year 2000 problem."

Bugged by the Hype

Some contend that the Year 2000 situation is being hyped. Nonetheless, many experts believe that the costs related to these glitches will wind up being extremely high.

For instance, consultant Capers Jones says in a report issued earlier this year that the country faces some $277 billion in overall Y2K costs. Of that amount, he figures, the single largest component will be litigation -- accounting for an estimated $100 billion of the total. "If the problem is not fixed, then the errors in software ... can lead to the most expensive litigation in human history," warns Mr. Jones, chairman of Software Productivity Research Inc. of Burlington, Mass.

Mr. Jones notes that the cost of Y2K technical fixes in California could exceed $9.5 billion. That's more than the estimate for any other state -- and $3.5 billion more than second-place New York.

"Anytime you have that much money floating around, you're going to find lawyers following it," says Todd Eberle, assistant director of the state Department of Information Technology.

As legal counsel to the agency, Mr. Eberle has his hands full trying to figure out how state government can recover its costs of correcting the Y2K problem -- while limiting its own potential liability.

Last month, Mr. Eberle went to San Francisco to attend what is believed to have been one of the first conferences to focus exclusively on Y2K and litigation. "They were turning people away, it was so packed," Mr. Eberle recalls. "I got there late on the first day, and it was like buying one of those cheap, scalped seats at Candlestick. I was stuck behind a pillar."

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To: Richard S. Schoenstadt who wrote (7203)12/11/1997 10:59:00 PM
From: TokyoMex  Respond to of 31646
 
Arthur has a point !
I agree with it some what.
But kindly note no personal attacks on his personalty if you please, attacks on his TA which can and have hurt people. He was callig IOM a screaming buy at 33 a week ago, when I was saying it was dangerous to buy. It hit 26 today.
He was saying TPRO was going down when it was 5 3/4 because he sold at 5 5/8 ish. It went up to 6 3/4 following week.
His call of today for 4 and what if people sold listning to him thinking it will do just that and news breaks out Mon and we go to 7 and beyond??
I think rather Arthur he should refrain from calling stock prices where he is not qualified to comment. Some of us knows him well from AOL.
All his calls on DELL etc all has been quite contrary to the actual stock movement and I have a friend who collects all his posts with actual stock movements as a hobby.

If you see my comments on him it always has to do with his TA, yet he posts on AOL, that I am a 300 lb pom pom girl with TP in the front RO in the back and sells burritos in the Central Park, ROFL , I my self think its a very funny picture of my self,,,
Now he has never met me so I dont know where he gets this image....
See the diffrence ?
I would never attack any ones person, only their comments.

Yes he likes TPRO I know that for certain. He wants every one to sell so he can buy it cheaper than his last sell. Thst is very obvious,,,,
You see many of IOM longs, who are my friends with responsible positions with Motley Fool owns TPRO, and they are his heroes you see. And he can not comprehend how and why these people who are long in IOM and hates my guts when I short IOM several times, still are my friends.....
;-)
Joe



To: Richard S. Schoenstadt who wrote (7203)12/11/1997 11:12:00 PM
From: Ray Dash  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 31646
 
Thanks Richard, you're right. I have been naive in thinking that an honest discussion of the state of TPRO was possible, and the venom I received for my efforts became infectious. My apologies go out to all, except Joe, who decided on revenge by TOSSing me from my AOL account because he can't take the heat that he dishes out.

Buy TPRO or don't buy it-- but take a look at JOHN MURPHY's THE VISUAL INVESTOR, and learn some basic TA. Its an important indicator of the general state of a stock, and with some practice can be quite powerful.

Good luck, I'm takin' my toy and goin' home,

Ray



To: Richard S. Schoenstadt who wrote (7203)12/12/1997 12:18:00 AM
From: C.K. Houston  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 31646
 
Richard,

YOU'RE MUCH MORE TOLERANT THAN I ... I'll just let Ray Dash (AOL Ryd33) speak for himself. Everyone else can make their own judgement call as to his credibility and maturity. As you're aware, Ryd33 has publicity stated on AOL, that he's only been studying TA for about 3-4 months, yet he constantly expounds about his expertise.

Cheryl

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24 HOURS OF RAY DASH (Ryd33) SPEAKING
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LOL ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZtrade!!! Your lack of humility is mind-boggling!!! If that's the best that "sharescam" can do, you must be playing with funny-money!!! TPRO just broke the 50 dma, babe... and DOWN SHE GOES!!!

Looks like the MM's finally figured out how they can make money!! Volume went from 100k+ shares avr in last week to 300k+ shares today!! They''ll let it hang at this level until the volume dries up ... then guess what??? ... they decide they want to make some more money and they'll drop the bomb again. Watch out for year-end tax-loss selling!!
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I usually hate to say I told you so ... but this time it will be a perverse pleasure due to the mindless, knee-jerk flaming that I've received from this board since I predicted 3 MONTHS ago that TPRO would be consolidating before moving to new highs.

If today's confessional of a TPRO 10k shareholder's selling at a small profit was hard to stomach, don't worry, there won't be many of these because most of the big money that is going to sell soon (on the way down to 4) won't say a thing. They'll just exit quietly.

No "buy and hold" in the 21st Century, TPRO 4 EVER!!, Ray ________________________________________________________________________

Looks like its time to sell TPRO!! Don't even need my stopped clock to tell me this!! Remember you can't spell consolidation without T-P-R-O!! -- Doc Ray -- TPRO TA specialist is IN DA HOUSSSE!!
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Anybody seen a 3 ft, 300lb cheerleader dressed in a red and white sweater and skirt with a big TP on the front (RO is on the back) carrying pompoms and screaming GO TPRO!!

I think he has a burrito stand in Central Park .... it used to be a greasy-spoon, rice and bean joint ... aw hell, you know the rest! Hopin' that the spot prices for rice and beans don't go to high!,
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Maybe you could explain how hitting 5 1/2 intraday and breaking support at the 50 dma was a GOOD THING for TPRO today?? Theoretically OF COURSE! LOL, the blind FAs leading the blind TA, What a hooot!! - Rockin' Ray
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I've said it before .... I'll say it again ... No "buy and hold" in in the 21st century, APD Ray - PS: and they say its "nature" not "nurture"-- PSHAWWW!!
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Dust it off" and WALLPAPER THE ROOM WITH IT!!! ROFLOL!!! Just don't grow old while waiting for "the panic feeding frenzy", HERES TO MID 1999!!! HIP-HIP HOORAY
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I don't know when you landed on this planet, but today was the "shorts" testing the water (no I am not one.) Breaking the 50 dma support was going to happen---it was just a matter of time. You are confusing coincidence with causality. There's a difference. The slide has just begun, Ray

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As one of many new kids on the block, you need a little history before you comment (with such conviction--yet another humble man.) Go read about 3 1/2 months worth of posts if you really have an enquiring mind. IMHO, Ray
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Who'll be the new sellers at 4 1/2! Just the MMs makin' mo' money!! Ray
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