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Politics : A US National Health Care System? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TimF who wrote (35802)	4/12/2014 6:08:01 PM
From: i-node	Respond to of 42652

There seems to be some conflating of "Medicare" with "Medicaid" in that article. It looks like they really mean Medicaid, not Medicare. Surely, you're going to have some number of people sign up for Medicaid just because the income level for qualification was increased. But there is a long history of Medicaid eligibles not being enrolled. This is particularly true because Medicaid typically involves frequent re-enrollment. I've seen Medicaid eligibility listings that have 20 or more different enrollment periods. If you make it so these people can enroll without having to visit an office and provides substantiation of qualification, how can you NOT add 2.6 million or more? Bottom line is that counting Medicaids, ACA generated 5 million purportedly new enrollments. That is worse than weak, it is pathetic, given the sacrifice we as a country are making.

To: TimF who wrote (35802)	4/13/2014 12:10:55 AM
From: i-node	Respond to of 42652

>> Now it turns out a large block of the uninsured actually did have access and could afford it, they just chose not to buy it, for whatever reason. I think most of those who were paying attention at the time knew this. Even though Aaron Carroll, at the time would not DARE to admit it, it is unimaginable that he didn't actually KNOW it. That entire thing was a ruse, just as was the medical bankruptcy lie and numerous others. When you get down to it there was a very small contingent who actually didn't have health insurance for the reasons deployed by the pro-ACA forces.

To: TimF who wrote (35802)

4/13/2014 4:27:44 PM

From: J_F_Shepard

Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 42652

Three quarters of the non-Medicare related reduction in uninsured (since I don't consider a lot of the Medicare signups a real reduction) were from people going onto employer plans.

Weren't the R's trumpeting the claim that employers were dropping their insurance coverage of employees??
IBM eg, dumped over 300,000 retirees...

2013 Uninsured	40.7
To Employer	-5.1
To Medicaid	-2.6
To Individual	+0.2
To Exchange	-1.4
To Other	-0.3
2014 Uninsured	31.4

It is a fact that there were 40.7 million uninsured in 2013 and there are 31.4 million uninsured now.....it's OK if you want to blame Obamacare...