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To: Brumar89 who wrote (52169)4/14/2014 9:55:50 PM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 
But these are not early refrences, but drawing on sources 100yrs later, far too scanty to be of any value. Josephus the earliest by far is already shown to be faked. Agrippa I is called "chrestos" by Josephus as early as 41ce after his appointment by his friend Claudius, that there may have existed some small variety of emrging Christian / Jewish messianic cults by this time, proves little of any individual from Nazareth.

"No sculptures, no drawings, no markings in stone, nothing written in his own hand; and no letters, no commentaries, no authentic documents written by his Jewish and Gentile contemporaries, Justice of Tiberius, Philo, Josephus, Seneca, Petronius Arbiter, Pliny the Elder, et al., to lend credence to his historicity"

Regarding these "references," if they were genuine they would no more prove the existence of Jesus "Christ" than do writings about other "Christs and prove their existence. That there could & would be some messianic cults of the conquered arise after the virtual destruction of Jerusalem & temple? Yes, that could be easy to predict.

Was there an emergent cultural phenomenon with that destruction & diaspora? Absolutely, but all supernatural references later are absolutely drawn from many other mythical sources, and we still have yet to see one evidenced example of anything "supernatural" in the last 3000yrs.

That is all yours to show...



To: Brumar89 who wrote (52169)4/14/2014 10:23:58 PM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 
Once again, as always, you have to be reminded of a plethora of well established religions & philosophies that were already full blown. Ancient gods & the legends were becoming more humanized. Philosophies were developed & encorporated. Gods, godmen and messiahs were rapidly morphing & evolving in the experimental caldron of the great Roman & neighboring empire.

And as far as the Jews borrowing much that parallels the Persian Zoroastrian Gods & saviors, not even the Jewish Encylcopedia or Jews themselves deny this great "borrowing", exciting to know isn't it? ( nothing is more clear than this kind of ongoing emergent, syncretic evolution of ideas)

ZOROASTRIANISM:
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/15283-zoroastrianism

The points of resemblance between Zoroastrianism and Judaism, and hence also between the former and Christianity, are many and striking. Ahuramazda, the supreme lord of Iran, omniscient, omnipresent, and eternal, endowed with creative power, which he exercises especially through the medium of his Spenta Mainyu ("Holy Spirit"), and governing the universe through the instrumentality of angels and archangels, presents the nearest parallel to Yhwh that is found in antiquity.

But Ormuzd's power is hampered by his adversary, Ahriman, whose dominion, however, like Satan's, shall be destroyed at the end of the world. Zoroastrianism and Judaism present a number of resemblances to each other in their general systems of angelology and demonology, points of similarity which have been especially emphasized by the Jewish rabbinical scholars Schorr and Kohut and the Christian theologian Stave. There are striking parallels between the two faiths and Christianity in their eschatological teachings—the doctrines of a regenerate world, a perfect kingdom, the coming of a Messiah, the resurrection of the dead, and the life everlasting. Both Zoroastrianism and Judaism are revealed religions: in the one Ahuramazda imparts his revelation and pronounces his commandments to Zarathustra on "the Mountain of the Two Holy Communing Ones"; in the other Yhwh holds a similar communion with Moses on Sinai.

The Magian laws of purification, moreover, more particularly those practised to remove pollution incurred through contact with dead or unclean matter, are given in the Avestan Vendïdad quite as elaborately as in the Levitical code, with which the Zoroastrian book has been compared ( see Avesta). The two religions agree in certain respects with regard to their cosmological ideas.

The six days of Creation in Genesis find a parallel in the six periods of Creation described in the Zoroastrian scriptures. Mankind, according to each religion, is descended from a single couple, and Mashya (man) and Mashyana are the Iranian Adam (man) and Eve. In the Bible a deluge destroys all people except a single righteous individual and his family; in the Avesta a winter depopulates the earth except in the Vara ("enclosure") of the blessed Yima. In each case the earth is peopled anew with the best two of every kind, and is afterward divided into three realms. The three sons of Yima's successor Thraetaona, named Erij (Avesta, "Airya"), Selm (Avesta, "Sairima"), and Tur (Avesta, "Tura"), are the inheritors in the Persian account; Shem, Ham, and Japheth, in the Semiticstory. Likenesses in minor matters, in certain details of ceremony and ritual, ideas of uncleanness, and the like, are to be noted, as well as parallels between Zoroaster and Moses as sacred lawgivers; and many of these resemblances are treated in the works referred to at the end of this article.