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Politics : A US National Health Care System? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Road Walker who wrote (35895)	4/17/2014 3:08:03 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 42652

The lowest in 60 years... but you can't accept it is ObamaCare. Because it started before Obama was a presidential candidate. Does Obamacare have a retroactive effect on health care costs? That's the main reason not to associate it with Obamacare, but a secondary reason is that there doesn't seem to be a good plausible way for Obamacare to have already had a large effect in lowering medical care costs. In fact you insist ObamaCare is making it HIGHER. Medical care costs? No. Insurance premiums higher yes, but that isn't the same point.

To: Road Walker who wrote (35895)	4/17/2014 3:09:23 PM
From: Lane3	1 Recommendation Recommended By TimF Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

The lowest in 60 years... Apples and oranges. You are conflating the rate of increase in costs with the cost of health care. but you can't accept it is ObamaCare. A trend that started years before PPACA cannot be attributed to PPACA. The trigger has to be pulled before the bullet impacts anything. There is a delay with any cause and effect. The effect does not occur before the cause. That is very simple logic. The rate of cost inflation, in general, has been down along with the economy for some time now. You need only to check your bank interest rate to find a clear marker for that. Health care rates of increase cannot be accurately viewed in a vacuum or arbitrarily attributed to your pet factor no matter how dear to you. In fact you insist ObamaCare is making it HIGHER Watch your tenses. We are seeing early signs of the trend that will be produced by ObamaCare. It's too early yet to see the entire effect. Trend lines are not typically straight lines. You cannot judge the trend from the first segment of the trend line. You can't declare victory with the first runner still trying to reach first base. I think that it's pretty obvious that the long term will be up. It has to be since the thrust of PPACA was to add demand. Duh. But it will take a while for that to fully clarify itself in the face of wishful thinking and grasping at straws. To the uninterested observer it's obvious your prejudice is guiding your perception. I think you meant disinterested, but neither of you is that.