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To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (249486)

4/22/2014 6:51:27 PM

From: koan

Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 542243

I don't misunderstand you at all. I didn't use the word thrive, I said benefit. All kids can benefit from pre school better than not having it. Why can't you understand that all I am proposing is education. And what normal kid would do better without education and especially the ones who cannot get it at home.

And as for any behavior caused by culture then all the more reason to get them in school as soon as possible. So some kids will be difficult, so what. Then work harder with them!

You cannot create it first, except to the degree mature people can figure it out when they get older like most of my friends did and then they can pass it on, like I did.

Where is your logic? How would it help not sending these little kids to pre school. Your thinking is really weird to me. What I am proposing is so basic and simple and yet you and so many right wingers struggle with it.

There is complicated shit out there to understand. This is not some of it.

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I think you misunderstand me.

You assume the welfare kids can thrive in pre-sschool and I assume it's open question as to this. Why, because a lot of them are coming from a culture which doesn't value this and whose single parent is not educated herself. This statement applies across races.

As to black kids in pre-school they have additional problems. Did you know black pre-shcoolers are kicked out of preschool at about three times the rate of whites and other ethnic groups because of behavior problems? That tells us something. It may just a cultural clash, but whatever the reason it means they are not in there learning.

So I am saying help create a culture that values education first--like your Klan does---and then the learning will follow as it will be a value that will be "internalized". One way to do this is to promote policies that promote 2 parent families and to keep benefits for welfare mothers who marry the same up to certain income limits.

To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (249486)	4/22/2014 6:55:27 PM
From: koan	Respond to of 542243

Liberals have wanted free pre school for ever and really free education. It is the right wing that always stops us as they are anti intellectual! E.g. the Texas Republican party had a plank last year or the one before, against the teaching of higher order thinking. Imagine that. It is why Nixon vetoed free pre school back in the 70's when dems passed it. And you think we can reason with these cretins? << i have no preconception about Blacks as a race. It's a cross section of values there IMHO. You've got the young men in Detroit who beat up on the "perceived" white driver who hit a black child with his vehicle (the black child jaywalked into a busy street and the young men are now charged with attempted murder) and then you've got the church lady who went out and made them stop beating him up and the black community that's raised money for his hospital bill) So there's no pigeon holing values by race. In any event what is striking about this problem of the success of welfare students is the silence of the political parties about the issue. It's what we need to have national conversation about and neither party wants to talk about this--at least as far as I know. So until we can a political conversation going about it we'll continue to have to live with the unacceptable status quo.