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Politics : A US National Health Care System? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TimF who wrote (36439)	5/3/2014 3:56:03 PM
From: John Koligman	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

"Consumers had more choice with employers mostly being the direct payer for the insurance (they could often choose between multiple, sometimes very different plans, they could even choose between employers based in part on insurance options, and there still was the individual market if the employer provided plan was really that horrible)" Perhaps you have forgotten our discussions some years ago when I was first attempting to buy health insurance in NYS. Choice was essentially nil, and that is no longer the case with the ACA....

To: TimF who wrote (36439)	5/3/2014 7:21:57 PM
From: Road Walker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 42652

Probably but its not worth government essentially dictating the terms of the market. Its about as total of government control as you can have without the government actually running the operation. Consumers had more choice with employers mostly being the direct payer for the insurance (they could often choose between multiple, sometimes very different plans, they could even choose between employers based in part on insurance options, and there still was the individual market if the employer provided plan was really that horrible) First, the vast majority of the market is still employer controlled, so your past tense "had more" is plain false. Second very low end shitty plans may be taken off the table, but it appears there will be more competition, for many more customers, with the marketplaces. And the end user making the decision is just-plain-stupid more effective controlling cost. You know that, don't let partisan get in the way of your ideology. Just watched the Derby. Wonder what it would be like if there was little regulation, if you could drug the horses and the jockeys, if they could fight each other during the race, if the bets and odds weren't secure by government regulation. I don't really wonder... it would be nothing, nobody would watch, because everyone would know it was pure crap from farm country. You would have never heard of the Kentucky Derby... civilization is everything and civilization IS regulation. The restrictions we put on each other are what define the quality of our civilization. Social, religious, government. It may not fit some of the myths we tell ourselves, but it's the truth. Don't knee jerk react, think about it.