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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (50651)	5/4/2014 11:23:39 AM
From: Eric	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86356

Yup, We set an all time record up here in the Seattle area since the white man has been here. (The 1840's) Have it marked on my bulkhead. Saltwater overtopped my father's bulkhead on Vashon Island's Quartermaster Harbor where I grew up. Captain Vancouver went through the Puget Sound earlier but he was only here for a few weeks. en.wikipedia.org More coming I'm afraid. Eric Record-high tides wash in prospects for more in future seattletimes.com

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (50651)	5/4/2014 11:40:36 AM
From: Eric	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86356

Carbon Dioxide Beat Historic Level Every Day Last Month By Alex Morales and Christopher Martin May 2, 2014 1:04 PM PT Photographer: Thomas Trutschel/Photothek via Getty Images An industrial plant on Dec. 4, 2013, in Hamburg. The amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere averaged more than 400 parts per million throughout April, the first time the planet’s monthly average has surpassed that threshold. The data from the Scripps Institution of Oceanography at the University of California, San Diego, shows how world leaders are failing to rein in greenhouse gases that climate scientists say are warming the planet. “We’re running out of time, but not solutions,” Ed Chen, a spokesman for the Natural Resources Defense Council, said in an e-mail today. “The next big step is to limit, for the first time, carbon pollution being spewed by our power plants.” The average value for April was measured at 401.33 ppm at the Mauna Loa monitoring station in Hawaii, according to an announcement on Twitter disclosing the finding by the institution’s Keeling Curve program. It was named for the scientist who began the measurements in 1958 and shows that temperatures are rising more quickly. The finding adds to concerns that a buildup of carbon dioxide is damaging the atmosphere, making storms more intense, melting glaciers and putting at risk the future of seaside cities such as Miami. The level of CO2 broke 400, as a daily average, for the first time last May. Less than a year later, the average for a month has exceeded a threshold not seen in the measured record dating back 3 million years. UN Limit Concentrations of CO2 are rising at about 2 to 3 ppm a year. The United Nations has said that in order to maximize our chances of limiting the global temperature rise since 1750 to the internationally agreed-upon target of 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit), the concentration of all greenhouse gases should peak at no higher than 450 ppm this century. That includes methane and nitrous oxide, gases not included in the Scripps measurement. The atmospheric concentration of all greenhouse gases, including including methane and nitrous oxide, was equivalent to a CO2 level of 430 ppm in 2011, according to the UN intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The annual average concentration of CO2 that year was about 391 ppm, according to the UN’s World Meteorological Association. To contact the reporters on this story: Alex Morales in London at amorales2@bloomberg.net; Christopher Martin in New York at cmartin11@bloomberg.net To contact the editors responsible for this story: Reed Landberg at landberg@bloomberg.net Will Wade, Carlos Caminada bloomberg.com

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (50651)	5/4/2014 6:53:48 PM
From: Bilow	1 Recommendation Recommended By Sdgla Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86356

Hi Whar Rat; Re: "In addition, the last time the planet was 2 degrees warmer, the oceans were four to six (perhaps eight) meters higher."; Going to the NASA link you provided we find: Hansen found that global mean temperatures during the Eemian period, which began about 130,000 years ago and lasted about 15,000 years, were less than 1 degree Celsius warmer than today. If temperatures were to rise 2 degrees Celsius over pre-industrial times, global mean temperature would far exceed that of the Eemian, when sea level was four to six meters higher than today, Hansen said. nasa.gov Okay. So you're saying that sea levels could conceivably be 4 to 6 meters higher if temperatures stay 2 degrees C warmer for the next 15,000 years. So, let's see. Do you think that the people of the year 17014 AD will have enough knowledge and technology to deal with a 4 meter rise in ocean levels? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! LOL!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! This is a great illustration of how far your side has drifted from reality. -- Carl P.S. Glad to see you doubling down to agreement that the temperature rise is likely to be less than 2 degrees C! This is the first step towards rationality. But I don't think you have the guts to make it even though your own graph shows it.