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To: Sam who wrote (183764)	5/6/2014 10:05:13 PM
From: Bearcatbob	4 Recommendations Recommended By Brian Sullivan miraje Salt'n'Peppa SEDCO 445 Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 206184

If you can show me one comprehensive plan that reduces emissions on a world wide basis to the levels you guys claim are acceptable, the cost required to accomplish it and the associated schedule I will consider giving you guys a listen. I submit that there is no feasible plan that can accomplish what you want - and that if such a plan were presented with the associated costs you guys would be laughed off the stage. When you do under guesstimate the trillions - then tell me what those trillions could do for the poor of the world if they were invested for their welfare. What we have here is a bunch of rich liberals obsessed with saving the world. I do give you credit - you at least are not purporting to care about the least among us. Show me a plan, a cost and a schedule - and a definition what good is not done so that you rich liberals can feel good about saving the planet. Show me the numbers - not the emotions. Bob

To: Sam who wrote (183764)	5/7/2014 2:23:13 AM
From: Brian Sullivan	1 Recommendation Recommended By Tom Daly Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 206184

[You] posted a Bloomberg article awhile ago about China trying cut down on coal as part of their effort to cut the terrible pollution in their cities. [And increase their usage of Natural Gas] Well, They are trying to increase their use of Natural Gas instead of Coal in their cities. But the Chinese plan is to create their own Natural Gas using their abundant Coal resources. It is called Coal gasification and it is the worst nightmare for the acolytes of the AGW religion. China’s coal solution has carbon downside across globe The new coal plant here is an industrial fortress of boilers, tanks and towers that stretches across a lonely plateau in Inner Mongolia. All day long and through the night, it vents huge gray clouds of steam and emits an awful stench. Though it may seem odd, this is part of China’s campaign to combat the nation’s notorious urban smog. The plant transforms low-grade coal into a cleaner-burning methane gas that can be piped to cities, replacing dirtier fuels that now are used to cook meals, heat homes and produce electricity. The Chinese leadership has called for the accelerated development of these coal-to- gas plants, and more are under construction in areas distant from major urban centers. But embracing this technology to fight air pollution involves a serious environmental trade off. The plants that produce this gas spew far more carbon emissions than those that burn coal to generate electricity. They’re going to lock in emissions. China — and the world — will bear the consequences for decades,” said Robert Jackson, professor of environment and energy at Stanford University. A study published last year in Energy Policy found that producing, transporting and combusting this coal-generated gas results in up to 82 percent more carbon emissions than burning China’s coal directly to generate electricity If all the plants with initial government approval are built, they could boost the nation’s annual carbon emissions by more than 7 percent over 2012 levels, according to an analysis prepared for The Seattle Times by a co-author of that study. Such large-scale development would be a significant blow to global efforts to curb CO2 emissions, which already are changing the planet’s climate and causing the oceans to become more acidic. Those emissions are climbing at rates that pose far more severe risks to the planet, and reversing that trend is heavily dependent on China making cuts in its carbon emissions. The gas plants are part of a broader expansion of the Chinese coal industry in Inner Mongolia and other provinces in the north and west. http://seattletimes.com/html/specialreportspages/2023517279_chinaenergyxml.html

To: Sam who wrote (183764)	5/7/2014 5:20:11 PM
From: Logain Ablar	2 Recommendations Recommended By isopatch old tx oiler Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 206184

Sam: No one disputes climate change is real, just that it is man made. The climate was changing well before man came into the world and it will be changing after he is gone. I don't believe the pollution from coal is disputed either. I believe Bob keeps bringing up a valid point on those trying to eliminate it. The cost falls disproportionately on the poor of the world with no viable solution. I separate pollution from the climate change as IMO the climate change push is just a new scam as the global warming started to lose traction.