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Politics : Manmade Global Warming, A hoax? A Scam? or a Doomsday Cult? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Don Hurst who wrote (4012)	5/10/2014 2:58:17 PM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 4326

", including federal agencies and a panel of the National Academy of Sciences."<<" wow a bunch of government workers and people from a liberal bullshit group where for 25 bucks anyone can join, man I'm impressed

To: Don Hurst who wrote (4012)	5/10/2014 3:18:14 PM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 4326

Only 65 Scientists of 12,000 Make up Alleged 97% on Climate Change and Global Warming Consensus According to Breakdown of Cook et al study, say Friends of Science PRWeb – May 28, 2013 PRESS RELEASE The company that placed this press release with PRWeb is responsible for its content. It is not edited by the Albany Times Union. In response to multiple inquiries from media and global warming advocates, Friends of Science issue this release to expose the statistical manipulation evident from the break down of the Cook et al paper. Friends of Science decry the linking of this flawed study with alleged danger from man-made carbon dioxide emissions (CO2) as there has been no global warming in 16 years despite a rise in CO2 levels; Friends of Science say the sun and oceanic oscillations are the main drivers of climate change, not CO2. Calgary, Alberta (PRWEB) May 28, 2013 “The Cook et al paper is very misleading as described in major media. The breakdown of the survey results are not described up front,” says Ken Gregory, Director of Friends of Science. “The Cook study claims that any paper that mentions CO2 as a possible cause of some warming is part of a ‘consensus’. That is simply not true. Further, this survey does not assess ‘danger’.” Gregory’s comment refers to the Obama tweet that wrongly claimed that "Ninety-seven percent of scientists agree: Cook survey showed that climate change is real, man-made and dangerous.”" “Nothing in this survey discusses any level of danger to humans; in fact global warming stopped 16 years ago and this is well-known in the scientific community and acknowledged by the UN Climate Panel, the IPCC,” says Gregory. Friends of Science say the public should question the motives of those who are twisting the survey results. The Herald Sun of Melbourne, Australia published similar questions along with answers from surprised scientists who do not support Cook's 'consensus' at all, even though Cook says they do! Gregory explains a subtle point most readers would miss. “The Cook abstract falsely says, "Among abstracts expressing a position on anthropogenic global warming (AGW), 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming." He explains that the UN Climate Panel (IPCC) AGW consensus position is that humans are causing at least 90% of the recent warming to 2001, not that humans have ‘some’ effect on climate. However Cook's 'explicit endorsement level' is based on only 50%, influence by humans, misleading to average citizens as it reduces the accepted international parameter by almost half. While Friends of Science note that most scientists acknowledge that humans affect climate in some way, the paths are many – including farming, forestry, land disturbance, industrial emissions, and breathing. “Each of us emits CO2 at about 40,000 ppm when we breathe out,” says Gregory. “Does that make us dangerous?” Another under-reported element is that "This letter was conceived as a 'citizen science' project by volunteers contributing to the Skeptical Science website: skepticalscience.com." Skeptical Science is an advocate of the AGW theory. A searchable database of abstracts and ratings in the Cook study is provided on the Skeptical Science site. This link shows the "Endorsement level 1, Explicitly endorses and quantifies AGW as 50+%.(human actions causing 50% or more warming)" Note that this search term returns 65 of the 12000+ abstracts. The page lists each of the 65 abstracts giving the title with a link to the abstract, the journal where it was published and the endorsement rating. The IPCC and climate alarmists claim that 90% to 100% of the recent warming (since 1975) was caused by greenhouse gas emissions. An astrophysical paper by Nir Shaviv that shows the sun causing 60% of the warming does not support the IPCC position on climate change. However, in the Cook study, this paper was falsely rated as explicitly endorsing AGW ("but does not quantify or minimize"). Several of the 65 papers categorized by Cook as Endorsement level 1 in fact show that the IPCC projections of warming are wrong and grossly exaggerated. A paper by Scafetta and West states, "We estimate that the sun contributed as much as 45–50% of the 1900–2000 global warming." The Cook et al study data base has seven categories of rated abstracts. 1. 65 explicit endorse, >50% warming caused by man 2. 934 explicit endorse 3. 2933 implicit endorse 4. 8261 no position 5. 53 implicit reject 6. 15 explicit reject 7. 10 explicit reject, <50% warming caused by man Papers in the third category which Cook alleges, “implicit endorse,” in reality make no comment on whether humans have caused warming. This category includes papers about mitigation policies. Says Gregory, “It is wrongly assumed by Cook et al, that an author who writes about biofuels, endorses the IPCC position on climate change. This is not necessarily the case.” The Cook et al paper adds up categories 1, 2 and 3 and presents this total of 3932 papers as endorsing the AGW consensus. In fact many of those papers strongly reject the IPCC AGW position. “Public policy should be based

To: Don Hurst who wrote (4012)	5/10/2014 3:36:03 PM
From: Maurice Winn	1 Recommendation Recommended By sense Respond to of 4326

Right: <Yup, Maurice, the scientists and over 300 experts who produced the National Climate Estimate are just a bunch of "chicken littles". And you are what?> "We are wearing fancy hats and fancy feather cloaks" is not an argument or reasoning. That's shamanism. Your argument is that you are a cultist who believes an argument from authority is other than cultism. If "important" people tell you something, you believe them. With that thinking you should watch your wallet. <wow a bunch of government workers and people from a liberal bullshit group where for 25 bucks anyone can join, man I'm impressed> Mqurice

To: Don Hurst who wrote (4012)	5/12/2014 4:52:45 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 4326

he scientists and over 300 experts who produced the National Climate Estimate are just a bunch of "chicken littles". 300 "experts" and NOT ONE MENTION about the FACT that there is 40% LESS photosynthesis taking place in the oceans since 1950. It's not even mentioned in their chapter on ocean "acidification".. They just cite a section on Pteropods, which are Zooplankton, not Phytoplankton. The only thing a Zooplankton emits is methane, from consuming phytoplankton, which consume CO2 for making their own food via photosynthesis. nca2014.globalchange.gov This is how utterly incomplete the science behind AGW actually is. Phytoplankton account for 50-70% of the photosynthesis on this planet, and they have declined by 40% over the past 60 years. That's 40% less CO2 being sequestered from both the oceans, and the atmosphere.. But they don't seem to find that relevant. Try breathing 40% less Oxygen and see what happens.. Hawk

To: Don Hurst who wrote (4012)	5/12/2014 9:24:06 AM
From: weatherguru	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 4326

Here's some kool-aid. Come to your own conclusions. Record lows for the mountains, including all-time lows for May. weather.com If you love ice fishing, head up to Lake Superior. Still covered with ice, and we are 6 weeks away from the days start getting shorter. coastwatch.glerl.noaa.gov A U.S. government sponsored model forecasting positive Arctic sea-ice anomalies in 2014. Of course, Antarctic is at record highs.