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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (51247)5/13/2014 8:11:01 AM
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UW researchers: Polar ice sheet doomed, but how soon?

It’s too late to halt the collapse of the West Antarctic ice sheet into the sea, triggering several feet of sea-level rise, scientists have found. But UW researchers say the speed of that collapse depends on our response to climate change.

By Craig Welch
Seattle Times environment reporter


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A photo provided by NASA shows the Thwaites Glacier in West Antarctica. Two new studies indicate that part of the continent’s huge western ice sheet is starting a slow collapse that’s already unstoppable. Scientists now predict a greater rise in world sea levels than previously foreseen.



The collapse of massive portions of the Antarctic ice sheet now appears inevitable and could trigger far more sea-level rise than once projected, according to a major new University of Washington study and another from NASA researchers.

It may be too late to stop the entire West Antarctic ice sheet from eventually sliding into the ocean — no matter how the U.S. and other nations respond to climate change, the studies concluded.


But taking major steps to combat warming temperatures soon could determine whether the initial collapse ultimately takes a geologically speedy 200 years — or a thousand or more.

And that could determine whether a sea-level rise of a dozen feet or more happens at a pace beyond what anyone has thus far foreseen.

“A large sector of the West Antarctic ice sheet has gone into a state of irreversible retreat — it has passed the state of no return,” said Eric Rignot, with NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.

That move by itself could increase sea levels by about 4 feet, Rignot said. But it also will help set in motion other changes that could cause the ice sheet’s contribution to sea-level rise to triple to 12 feet or more.


“As this sector collapses, it will entrain the other sectors to collapse as well,” Rignot said in an interview Monday.

Said Ian Joughin, a glaciologist with the UW’s Applied Physics Laboratory and lead author of the other new study, “You can’t just vaporize all that ice and assume it’s not going to have other consequences. Given all that, it’s hard to imagine the whole western ice sheet not collapsing.”

Rignot’s work, based on an analysis of 40 years of observations, dovetails with computer modeling by Joughin and colleagues, who were able to examine how one particular glacier, a linchpin for the ice sheet, would respond to varying amounts of melting in the future.

“Eric looked at all the thinning and the retreat and said, ‘We don’t see anything on the bed topography that suggests it’s going to stop,’” said Joughin. “What we did is take a model and run it forward.”

And what the UW team found was that no matter how they adjusted the amount of melting, which would be influenced by changes in global temperatures in coming decades, that glacier still disappeared.

“Whether we turn the dial up or down, that part of the ice sheet goes away,” Joughin said. “It’s too late. But the longer it gets drawn out, the more time people will have to move inland.”

And that timing is something researchers from both teams said they believed humans could still influence.

The UW study, published Monday in Science, and Rignot’s work, posted at the same time in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, both attempted to understand the complex shifts taking place beneath the ice sheet in the Amundsen Sea.

There, warm water is eroding the underside of Thwaites Glacier, a moving ice field roughly the size of South Dakota.

The existence of the warm water may be part of the natural system, but scientists from both teams said climate change is clearly a contributing factor in bringing the warm water in contact with the ice. That is causing Thwaites to melt and thin, which spills more fresh water and icebergs into the ocean.

“Thwaites is one of the biggest, fastest-moving glaciers coming out of Antarctica,” said Benjamin Smith, an associate professor of earth and space sciences at the UW, who worked on the research with Joughin. “If it starts going faster, we could see it losing more and more ice to the ocean over time, and once it starts speeding up it’s going to keep speeding up until it’s all gone.”

And Thwaites serves as a barrier of sorts; its disappearance would expose far more stable portions of the ice sheet to rapid melt.

“If you run this model far enough into the future, most of the West Antarctic ice sheet ends up in the ocean,” Smith said

That would add a dozen feet or more to sea-level rise, over and above any contribution from Greenland. The East Antarctic ice sheet is expected to remain stable for the foreseeable future.


None of this would happen soon. The UW team projected that Thwaites’ melting would contribute little more than a quarter-millimeter to sea-level rise each year over the next century. But the changes then begin to escalate, dramatically increasing the pace and extent of melting.

Precisely how fast the change takes place will depend on whether or not human beings dramatically dial back greenhouse-gas emissions, scientists said. It’s also not yet clear how fast changes to fossil-fuel emissions would translate to reductions in the pace of ice-sheet melting.

“The most important message is that warming the ocean, probably by not very much, can make ocean level rise by a whole lot,” Smith said. “While we may not be able to prevent it from rising in the long run, we could make it a whole lot worse.”

Craig Welch: 206-464-2093 or cwelch@seattletimes.com. On Twitter @craigawelch

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intellectual Fascists attempt to censor it

Stalinist view of Climate Scientists. These are honest people, genuinely wanting to find out the truth about climate change and it's impacts... You and your ilk, and the hydrocarbon lobby hoors, are a dishonest lot, only caring about their own and their owners personal fortune. Disgusting lot they are. History will not look on them kindly. Then again most of them are Ugly Americans, hated around the world.



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This berg, the "fast ice" in the story, was still part of a glacier attached to Antarctica when Mawson went there. It is also calving, and the wind blew those smaller bergs back towards the mainland, trapping the ship; global warming, eh?

Alok Jha, science correspondent at the Guardian who is on the ship, wrote a couple of days ago:
We arrived at Commonwealth Bay more than a week ago, dropping anchor at the edge of a glistening sheet of fast ice – so called because it is stuck fast to the edge of the land mass of Antarctica. In front of us was an alien landscape of pure, flat white. The expedition's scientists began their work.

After Commonwealth Bay, the ship continued to follow the path of the Mawson expedition and set off for the Mertz Glacier. It got as far as Cape de la Motte. As Alok Jha wrote in the same article:

We are at Cape de la Motte in East Antarctica, on our way to the Mertz glacier, in a sea covered in ice floes up to four metres thick and several years old, making them dense and tough. Winds have pushed these floes towards the Antarctic mainland and pinned us in.
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Antarctic Iceberg Foils Centenary Plans

DEC 21, 2011 03:00 AM ET

The B-09B iceberg is blocking access to Antarctica's Cape Denison.



THE GIST

- The B-09B iceberg is blocking Australia's centenial celebration of Douglas Mawson's Australasian Antarctic Expedition of 1911-1914.

- B-09B is now in three major pieces and parts of it are frozen fast to the seabed, meaning it could clog Commonwealth Bay and block access to Cape Denison for years.

An iceberg nearly 100 kilometers (60 miles) long is preventing tourist ships from reaching Antarctica to mark the centenary of an Australian explorer's epic polar voyage.

Douglas Mawson, among Antarctica's earliest pioneers, led the Australasian Antarctic Expedition between 1911 and 1914 -- an ambitious scientific research trip that laid Australia's territorial claim and presence on the icy continent.

He had been approached to join British adventurer Robert Scott's team in the race to the geographic South Pole but Mawson declined.

Instead he set off from the city of Hobart on December 2, 1911 with his own men to pursue more scientific goals.

Mawson landed at Commonwealth Bay on January 8, 1912, building a complex of huts at Cape Denison that stand to this day.

Three tourist ships that have been attempting to reach the cape as part of 100-year commemorations of the voyage had to ditch their plans on Wednesday due to rare conditions caused by the mammoth iceberg, an official said.

"There is unusual ice conditions that's affecting all the tourist ships that are going down there because the tourist ships don't have icebreaking capabilities, and they also don't have choppers," a spokeswoman from the Australian government's Antarctic division told AFP.

"So their ability to get anywhere near that Mawson's huts area is basically stopped." The incident is not related to the growlers that the Russian fishing vessel collided with:

The B-09B iceberg, which is about the size of Luxembourg, is grounded at the cape's entrance and preventing what is known as fast ice -- sea ice frozen along the coast -- from moving as freely as normal, the spokeswoman said.

Calved from the Ross Ice Shelf in 1987, B-09B made headlines last year when it smashed into the Mertz Glacier, creating a new iceberg which is so big it could potentially affect Earth's ocean currents and climate.

B-09B is now in three major pieces and parts of it are frozen fast to the seabed, meaning it could clog Commonwealth Bay for years, with a build-up of heavy "pack" or drifting ice compounding the problems.

"Since B9B has stranded there a whole bunch of sea ice is actually piling up against it, so it's in the way of the usual drift," said glaciologist Jan Lieser.

The iceberg had also created a sheltered environment where fast ice could build quite easily, forming an ice bridge between the coast and B-09B, he added.

"You can walk across the bay if you want to," said Lieser.

Mawson's original voyage battled thick pack ice, and Rob Easther from the Mawson's Huts Conservation Society said the tourists were experiencing authentic conditions.

Mawson's original voyage battled thick pack ice, and Rob Easther from the Mawson's Huts Conservation Society said the tourists were experiencing authentic conditions.

Video: Fly-Over Antarctica's Cracking Glacier

"We refer to it as the 'A' factor, the Antarctic factor, it messes up a lot of people's plans," Easther told ABC Radio. "That's what it's always done and it'll always do that. We'll never outsmart it.

"It's just part of operating in Antarctica and I know on the tourist vessels they make this clear to their passengers, even though they've paid lots of money to go," he added.

"A lot about Antarctica has not changed in the hundred years (since Mawson)."

The government vessel Aurora Australis is due to head for Cape Denison in early January for official commemorations of Mawson's voyage. It will be equipped with helicopters to fly passengers over the ice pack.

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