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To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (251098)	5/26/2014 5:21:42 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541674

Think man. Why do you think people try to treat these family members themselves? They don't want people to know they have a crazy relative- because of the stigma. Now, you want to place criminal penalties on people- who is going to want to have a mentally ill person living with them? Hello. Earth to Bread. You're "solution" will just create more problems. Right now we have almost nowhere for a family to commit a mentally ill person- absent excellent insurance or deep pockets- and the willingness of the mentally ill person to comply. Who do you think the homeless are? Many are mentally ill people. Want to increase their numbers, a lot? Go the direction you want to go. Luckily, I think even our dysfunctional government would see that road as a highway to hell. But who knows?

To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (251098)	5/26/2014 5:24:19 PM
From: Metacomet	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541674

There is larger obligation to society here then just the "stigma" side of the equation. Is there any societal obligation to limit the sale of these things to certifiably sane individuals, or maybe not allow them to be sold to ex-cons.. Neither prohibition is tolerated by the NRA, hence unable to be codified by an ignorant and cowardly Congress It really is nonsense to try and discuss reasonable solutions when clearly irrational ones are able to drive the agenda We waste our time and forfeit lives seeking that common ground that is clearly over in surreal land It really is mind boggling to have ostensibly sane folks trying to fix this problem while refusing to acknowledge what the problem is

To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (251098)	5/26/2014 7:54:27 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 541674

I was surprised to see people assign root causes to gender or cultural factors (i.e., being male or the child of affluent parents) as part of a "questionable cause" falacy. These are probably people who in other discussions would have cringed if someone attributed some misdeed to being a member of a racial minority, or other cultural factor, yet they seem content to be promoting some quasi-feminist agenda for a killer whose first three victims were Asian males. What I pointed out was that when I was young "experts" attributed schizophrenia to the mother's parenting style. The classic "schizophrenigenic mother" hypothesis was debunked and now they have a blood test for it (no kidding - supposedly 85% accurate but you have to feel for the 15% who don't have the disease).