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Biotech / Medical : VVUS: VIVUS INC. (NASDAQ) -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Musa Goksel Bulat who wrote (3569)12/13/1997 12:45:00 PM
From: Peter Paulissen  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 23519
 
I am not an Asensio croney, nor am I a short seller.
I am just smelling a rat in VVUS.
I lost a lot of money in this stock and am relieved to be out of it.
Nobody in his right mind would cut production when the demand is up.
When a stock gets clipped by 30% or so on 10 times normal volume, I would believe their is something fundamentally wrong.



To: Musa Goksel Bulat who wrote (3569)12/13/1997 1:12:00 PM
From: EyeDrMike  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 23519
 
<<In CC they said that they produced 800000 units per month between August and October. >>

in the conference call, they said they produced MORE than the normal volume of 800,000 units per month between Aug and Oct, hence the increase of inventory in the channel from 30 to 45 days; they have also produced and shipped 150,000 uinits to Astra for their jan 98 roll-out of the drug; they plan on producing and shipping an additional 200,000 units to them in jan 98.

mike



To: Musa Goksel Bulat who wrote (3569)12/13/1997 1:26:00 PM
From: Mosko  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 23519
 
Musa, Thank you for bringing this up. I have been long VVUS since march, and I too listened to the conference call. It seemed to me that the analyst never got a straight answer out of the CEO concerning how the shutdown of the plant equated a 25% shortfall in revenue when the wholesalers were supposedly stocked with a 45 day supply. I thought they were sincere and am willing to take this on face value. Management is definitely going through growing pains. But, I think everyone here is looking through rose colored glasses concerning future projections. I believe your projections, Musa for the december shutdown could be right on the money. What I got from them was that with the decreased capacity at plant 1 and plant 2 not coming on line until Q2 that they would not be returning to production at oct. levels (800,000 units) until Q2. Yes, they did say that they were looking at methods of improving yields, but this sounded pretty iffy in the time line. From this I would project earnings from Q3 97 to be .24 not much better for Q1 because of dec shutdown ----Q1 98-----.25 After that everything should be back to normal and we have an ad campaign, but somewhere along the line Viagra is released and previous VVUS patients pause to try it and see if it works for them. I would say this would be adverse for probably Q3, let's say it would have a 25% decrease on domestinc sales, hopefully offset by sales overseas. So we have 2 quarters of reduced earnings, followed by another quarter of flat earnings before returning to the growth picture that everyone bought this stock for. In addition to that the street is going to have a "show me" approach, basically guilty until proven innocent. It's your basic long uphill climb. I think a previous poster got this one right when he said he was going to buy for his 401K at these levels and forget about it. Still Long, but just went from long to longer! Mosko



To: Musa Goksel Bulat who wrote (3569)12/13/1997 8:13:00 PM
From: blankmind  Respond to of 23519
 
Musa, in ref to your numbers -- the folks at VVUS are correct -- there's no mistaking it.

you wrote: <... produced during January and February which will make total units 1650000, and sales will be $27.5 million for Q1 98 unless new plant is operating.
Q4 figures are telling me that there is something wrong with his picture ...>>

-- Specifically, there was a huge shipment to Astra - sp??? - at less cost.

-- Plus, the line taken down in Nov.

-- Plus the entire shutdown X-mas week.

-- So you will have the 25% decline in "product revenues."

Out.