Colorado baker who won't make gay wedding cakes ordered to sensitivity training
Cain TV.com ^ | 6/5/2014 | Dan Calabrese
Posted on 6/8/2014, 8:52:04 PM by Beave Meister
"They are turning people of faith into religious refugees."
Colorado bakery owner Jack Phillips never sought out a gay person to discrminate against, nor to harm in any way. He has no desire to do so.
But because he serves Jesus Christ above all else, Phillips was not about to be forced into participation in celebrating the "marriage" of two gay men. So when they entered his store to place an order for a wedding cake, he simply told them they would have to find a different bakery.
We've told you this story before, and it's now reached exactly the point many people feared it would all along. Phillips is being ordered by the State of Colorado not only to undergo sensitivity training, but to enact new policies for him and his staff, and to file quarterly reports with the state that prove he has not turned away any business from homosexuals.
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You cant impose this crap on people.....if Phillips doesn't want to do business with gay people that's his right. He shouldn't be forced to nor be forced to attend this BS class....
1 posted on 6/8/2014, 8:52:04 PM by Beave Meister
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To: Beave Meister
There’s only one appropriate response to the State of Colorado in this case. And its not a very Christian one.
2 posted on 6/8/2014, 8:55:18 PM by skeeter
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To: Beave Meister
"Sensitivity Training" = Commie Style Reeducation Camp.
3 posted on 6/8/2014, 8:55:38 PM by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Beave Meister
Sensitivity training? What happens if he refuses or “fails” the course.
4 posted on 6/8/2014, 8:55:40 PM by allendale
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To: Beave Meister
Re-education camps. How very Soviet...
5 posted on 6/8/2014, 8:55:41 PM by null and void (Fascists never think they're fascists. They just think everybody should obey them.)
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To: Beave Meister
The punishment misses the point badly. (Deliberately?) The business wasn’t refusing to serve homosexuals. It was refusing to bake a same-sex “wedding” cake.
6 posted on 6/8/2014, 8:56:02 PM by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Beave Meister
7 posted on 6/8/2014, 8:57:31 PM by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Beave Meister
He should tell the State of Colorado to take their so-called sensitivity training and shove it up their poop chutes.
8 posted on 6/8/2014, 8:57:33 PM by july4thfreedomfoundation (I don't want to feel "safe." I want to feel FREE!)
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To: Beave Meister
Re-education Camp"We have ways of dealing with people like you...
9 posted on 6/8/2014, 8:59:41 PM by Savage Beast (Hubris and denial overwhelm Western Civilization. Nemesis and tragedy always follow.)
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To: skeeter
Too put it as politely as possible, IMO.......FUNGU!!!!!!!!
10 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:02:10 PM by Viking2002 (Liberals - destroyers of both men and civilizations. The Fourth Turning Cometh.)
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To: Beave Meister
I would tell the judge to take his sensitive little A** and FOAD!
11 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:03:08 PM by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
That sentiment is sorta at the crux of this whole tragedy, ain’t it though? LOL
12 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:03:50 PM by Viking2002 (Liberals - destroyers of both men and civilizations. The Fourth Turning Cometh.)
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To: Beave Meister
Tax exemption for Christian churches is about to end. All it takes now is on Federal judge. They will claim they will not "subsidize hatred and persecution of peoples (homosexual) Civil Rights" - and that is all she wrote.
If you all don't see this coming, you are fools.
13 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:04:04 PM by SkyPilot
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To: Beave Meister
Tell'm to go screw themselves.... .... But wasn't that their goal at the start ???
14 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:04:04 PM by ptsal (Repubicans swallowing more kool-aide from Rove & Kristol)
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To: Genoa
It’s hard for me to believe this particular bakery was visited by these 2 at random.
It seems his religious beliefs must have been common knowledge around town since he also refused to bake Halloween cookies
15 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:04:20 PM by digger48
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
No kidding!
Looks like I’ll have to return to his shop and buy some MORE sweet goodies from him.
16 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:04:39 PM by RandallFlagg (Uninstall Fascist Firefox. Get Pale Moon.)
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To: SkyPilot
bingo
17 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:04:58 PM by digger48
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To: Beave Meister
And if that doesn’t work they’ll have to use more “convincing” methods.
18 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:06:42 PM by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: skeeter
Sodom and Gomorrah was governed by pagan perverts. All kinds of perversion imaginable not just this gay stuff. This is what we are headed for. We have a good example right here with this baker with gay degenerates calling the shots along with their leftist allies
____And don’t forget Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring towns, which were filled with immorality and every kind of sexual perversion._______
19 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:07:14 PM by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: skeeter
Bake them a cake and season it with ex-lax. That should get the wedding night off with a running start.
20 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:07:38 PM by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: Beave Meister
The homosexuals are no longer content to live their lives, they have to FORCE their perversion on everyone else.
21 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:08:20 PM by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Beave Meister
Disgusting but not surprising..welcome to Obama’s fag America..where homos have more rights than anyone else..today they are having a “pride” parade in West Hollywood, 400,000 fruitcakes are expected..the left is doing everything possible to destroy the American way of life that is their agenda
22 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:08:31 PM by Sarah Barracuda
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To: oldbrowser
or at least a runny start
23 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:08:39 PM by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Beave Meister
I’ve been at two Fortune 500 companies now and both had sensitivity training camps. One HR guy slipped up and called it reeducation. One company had a died-in-the-wool communist from Latin America heading up the program. And, HR could “sentence” you to attend.
24 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:09:41 PM by Gen.Blather
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To: Beave Meister
come get me.
and bring back up
25 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:10:25 PM by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Beave Meister
This is about as crazy as it gets.
26 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:11:10 PM by berdie
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To: Beave Meister
You cant impose this crap on people...
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Apparently ‘they’ can.
They have been and they will continue to do so.
What did ‘you’ think the forcing of people renting houses or rooms to ANYONE, whether they wanted to or not, the forcing smokers out of bars, restaurants, stadiums etc; would lead to?
Then add in the countless experiments that supposedly were started helping to help one class of people and ended up punishing another, sort of a reverse of what MAY or MAY NOT have been going on.
It definitely is ‘going on’ now with the full backing of the Federal Government.
27 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:14:52 PM by xrmusn ((6/98)"Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. (G Marx))".)
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To: Beave Meister
And what happens if he does not attend re-education indoctrination?
28 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:15:28 PM by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
no longer content to live their lives
They know they're sick, and they have a need to get validation from everyone else, a need that can never be satisfied. Guilt is a powerful motivator.
29 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:17:18 PM by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Beave Meister
How IN HELL can the state of Colorado “order” any free citizen to “undergo” ANYTHING?
Ignore the stupid SOBs. They got nuthin’
30 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:17:28 PM by Walrus (I love the America that used to be ---I hate the America that now IS!)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
where homos have more rights than anyone else..today they are having a “pride” parade in West Hollywood,
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Yesterdays ‘parade’ in DC was highlighted on last nights news and one of the things the ‘reporters’ made a big point of was the insertion of a US Military Honor Guard and - in the words of the ‘reader’ “RIGHT THERE ALONGSIDE THE GAY PRIDE FLAG”.
31 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:19:17 PM by xrmusn ((6/98)"Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. (G Marx))".)
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To: Beave Meister
Next step is public branding from libs who preach diversity and tolerance.
32 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:21:29 PM by bgill
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Thrown to the lions will be next.
33 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:23:47 PM by Argus
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To: Beave Meister
Parody News… Couple Avoids Jail: Will Keep Record Store Open by Judith Schumann Weizner Back Issues of Heterodoxy
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( April/May 2000)
Today, Ernest and Sylvia Musikant are breathing easy for the first time in many months , having won an eleventh-hour reprieve of the prison sentence they were to begin serving this morning for a violation of the Racial Equity in Employment Act.
The couple, whose classical record store, We’ll Get Bach To You, has been a fixture on Manhattan’s West Side since 1968, had been ordered to report to the Federal Race and Hate Crimes Correctional Facility on Ward’s Island to begin their fourteen-year term, but last-minute negotiations with former employee Harris Holloway led Holloway to drop his complaint in exchange for certain concessions.
Holloway, also known as Akimbo Ali, had charged the Musikants with promoting cultural stereotypes by giving him menial work to do while allowing other employees to sell records.
The Musikants hired Holloway in 1998 to do general maintenance and cleaning. As far as they knew he was satisfied with their treatment of him, but during his hearing before the Racial Equity in Employment Commission (REEC), it developed that Holloway had told his therapist that he felt his self-esteem seriously compromised by having to dust the displays in the presence of customers and the sales force.
At first, this revelation surprised the Musikants, but subsequently they recalled that the young man, a high school drop-out with no apparent interest in classical music, had once requested an opportunity to test his salesmanship skills. They agreed to consider him, but said he would have to pass the same test taken by all other employees.
When he took the test he was unable to name a single classical artist. (Because all prospective salespeople had to demonstrate a knowledge of artists and recordings by scoring at least 80 percent on a written test, most of the sales staff were conservatory students or graduates.) Since Holloway seemed so intent upon improving himself, the Musikants offered him one paid afternoon off each week for the purpose of studying and told him he could re-take the test at any time.
After several months, he repeated the test, scoring 23 percent. The Musikants agreed that this was a significant improvement and encouraged him to keep studying, but reminded him that all sales personnel had to know 80 percent of the material.
During this time, We’ll Get Bach To You became involved in a controversy concerning its display window. The store had been decorated for Christmas and Chanukah, and prominent displays of recordings associated with the season had been arranged. When a neighborhood resident pointed out that the display took no notice of Kwanzaa, the Musikants explained that as yet there was no classical Kwanzaa music, and that the window had been planned with the idea of increasing seasonal sales of existing inventory.
This did not satisfy the neighbor, who filed a charge of cultural abrogation against them. Wishing to put an end to the matter as quickly as possible, the Musikants added a Kwanzaa display to the window and the charge was withdrawn. But the next day they received a directive from the Federal Dogma Tolerance Enforcement Agency (FDTEA) ordering the store closed immediately pending resolution of a complaint filed by the Upper West Side Alliance for Freedom from Religion, which protested the prominent placement of Bach’s Christmas Cantata in the show window.
Eager to reopen as quickly as possible at this most lucrative time of the year, the Musikants immediately moved the Christmas Cantata inside to a place where it could not be seen from the street, replaced it with a recording of the Brandenburg Concertos, and called the FDTEA to send a compliance monitor.
When the monitor saw the display, he commended them for having carried out the agenc y’s orders so quickly, and issued a certificate of compliance. The grateful Musikants, having lost only two days’ sales, re-opened the store, and, to entice shoppers, offered two recordings for the price of one. For a while it seemed they might be able to recoup their losses, but two days later, the FDTEA compliance monitor returned, citing a second complaint by the Upper West Side Alliance for Freedom from Religion, which claimed that while the Musikants appeared to have complied with the FDTEA directive, they actually persisted in violating their members’ right to freedom from religion, since everyone knew that Bach had been a highly religious composer.
Desperate to keep the store open, the Musikants offered to replace the Brandenburg concertos immediately with any recording of the compliance monitor’s choice. He agreed and, after an exhaustive perusal of their inventory, advised them that Vivaldi’s Four Seasons would probably be inoffensive. The Four Seasons replaced the Concertos in the show window and a second certificate was issued on the spot.
Three days later, however, the Musikants received another summons from the FDTEA ordering them to a hearing before an agency adjudicator to determine whether, at the time they consented to the replacement of the Concertos with the Four Seasons , they had been aware that Vivaldi was a priest. Since the summons was not accompanied by an order to close, they hastily removed the Four Seasons from the display and replaced it with The Rite of Spring.
The Musikants managed to break even for December despite the two-day closing. At the hearing they told the adjudicator that they had asked the agency’s own compliance monitor to choose the replacement for the Concertos to prevent them from inadvertently contravening the agency’s wishes, and insisted that they had not known Vivaldi was a priest. However, their college transcripts revealed that both had received nearly perfect scores in music history, and when an inventory audit revealed that the fact of the composer’s priesthood was disclosed in the liner notes of one recording of a Vivaldi concerto, they were threatened with additional charges of obstructing the mission of a federal agency if they could not prove their ignorance.
The Musikants explained that on the day Vivaldi was discussed in music history they had become engaged and had cut class to celebrate. They also insisted that they would never read the liner notes of any recording sold in the store, as that would involve opening the wrapper. The FDTEA adjudicator promised a ruling within the month, and the Musikants went back to work. But before the decision came down they found themselves facing yet another threat.
The inventory audit carried out during the hearing had uncovered the fact that while the store’s inventory did include recordings by minority artists, 99.96 percent of the composers represented were of European background. Bound by the Uniform Federal Standards in Diversity Act, the FDTEA had shared its findings with the Federal Diversity Management Board (FDMB), which now demanded an exact accounting of the racial background of the artists represented in the store’s inventory. Because the order included a determination of the racial make-up of the various orchestras and chamber music groups whose recordings they sold, the Musikants had to hire a reference consultant and a mathematician.
When the audit proved that the racial character of the inventory was not representative of the country as a whole, the Musikants requested a hearing before an FDMB examiner. They reminded the examiner that We’ll Get Bach To You was a classical music store, specializing in music by classical composers, mostly dead white European males, although there were works by females as well, but that so far there was not much classical music by minority composers. They explained that they made it a point to showcase recordings by minority performers, and that whenever there were compositions by minority composers they promoted them as well.
The examiner said that while he understood the state of classical music in the United States, he had to enforce the standards mandated by the Uniform Federal Standards in Diversity Act, and gave them the choice of endowing a three million dollar fund for the training of classical composers from the inner city, or expanding their inventory to include music by minority composers and artists, whether or not it could be deemed “classical”. He reminded them that failure to comply would subject them to immediate forfeiture of the business and charges of cultural chauvinism.
Unable to endow a fund, the Musikants have agreed to set up a rap music section with Harris Holloway as its manager, in exchange for dismissal of all charges of cultural stereotyping against them. Lawyers for REEC have consented to allow Hollway to drop his complaint, even though making him manager of the rap section could open the door for a second charge of furthering a cultural stereotype if he later requests a position in the classical music section and does not get it. The Musikants also agree to continue Holloway’s paid afternoon off to further his classical studies.
While the FDTEA’s ruling on the obstruction charge is expected later this month, experts believe that it may be put on hold pending the results of the Musikants’s next three annual FDMB reviews.
In an interview today on New York’s Channel 99, Mr. Musikant, co-founder of New Yorkers for Sufficient Government, was asked whether his recent travails had undermined his confidence in the system.
“On the contrary,” he said. “I think this is a perfect example of what happens when good ideas mesh—we’ll have a job in management for Harris, which he wants, and my wife and I will not go to jail, which we want. We’ve been advised that we’ll have to change the name of the store to reflect its new diversity, so we’ve been fooling around with a few possibilities. What do you think of We’ll Get Rap Bach To You?”
34 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:23:59 PM by CharlesOConnell (CharlesOConnell)
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To: Beave Meister
In the modern age, we still throw Christians to the lions — we just do it a little differently.
We try to be subtle. But we’re doing it.
35 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:27:37 PM by ClearCase_guy ("Harvey Dent, can we trust him?" youtube.com
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To: CharlesOConnell
too realistic
36 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:28:21 PM by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Walrus
Ignore the stupid SOBs. They got nuthin’
Exactly!
37 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:29:31 PM by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Beave Meister
One thing this guy should not have done and that is wear his religion on his sleeve. That is asking for trouble. Businesses turn away business all the time and he could have also. This mess is of his own doing.
38 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:32:01 PM by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: Savage Beast
This sounds a lot like what happened in Germany in the 30s and 40s. I wonder if the Christians will let themselves be taken to the camps. I know a lot of us Jews will never be taken again.
39 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:32:05 PM by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!)
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To: oldbrowser
Indeed.
40 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:36:00 PM by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Genoa
The business wasn’t refusing to serve homosexuals. It was refusing to bake a same-sex “wedding” cake. VERY VERY important distinction!!!!
While I think any business should have the right to refuse service to anyone, I think making them a cake is really the wiser thing. BUT, making political statement by making a pro gay cake? That's something totally different.
41 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:38:13 PM by C. Edmund Wright (Do NOT suffer fools gladlyÂ…and message boards are full contact arenas)
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To: Beave Meister
The deviants pushing all this crap are the ones who need sensitivity training. But of course they have no concern if their behavior is offensive to the rest of the world.
42 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:38:36 PM by stboz
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To: Beave Meister
“No.”
43 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:39:38 PM by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: SkyPilot
Yup, I think we’ll see it in CA in 5 years, and the rest of USA churches in 10. It’ll be interesting how churches who believe against this but hate making controversial comments (like Rick Warren) will respond.
44 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:40:19 PM by MNDude
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To: Beave Meister
This is open oppressions of Christians, and our spineless Republican leaders do and say nothing.
45 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:42:23 PM by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: Beave Meister
Here’s what’s coming: Business owners will be required to swear that they will serve homosexuals as a requirement for getting a business license.
46 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:43:10 PM by clintonh8r (Can Juan Williams possibly be that stupid?)
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To: Beave Meister
This is such an abuse of power. Power that was not given by legislative process but by regulatory fiat. This is totally unacceptable and a violation of his religious rights.
47 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:46:54 PM by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
At some point, we will have to fight a real fight to be allowed to exercise religious beliefs and still keep employment.
But that should be a fight we can win, because in the end, the right to be free to practice religion is meaningless if the government can prevent you from earning a living because of your religion.
On the other hand, that is one of the end times signs, needing the mark to buy or sell. I wish someone would bring that up to one of these judges. I’m not brave enough, but it would be cool for someone to walk in with a 666 on their forehead asking if that would satisfy the judge.
48 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:47:11 PM by CharlesWayneCT
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To: oldbrowser
Just bake everyone their own cupcake.
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49 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:50:57 PM by Salamander (He ain't heavy, he's my Boa.)
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To: dennisw
Pedophiles are coming up to bat, next.
50 posted on 6/8/2014, 9:51:43 PM by Salamander (He ain't heavy, he's my Boa.)
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