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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (169361)	6/16/2014 11:10:32 AM
From: gronieel2	Respond to of 224748

"loco, you are avoiding the question because you can't answer it. There is NO evidence of al-Qaeda being in Iraq before the Bush invasion." Sure al-Qaeda was in Iraq....they were just hiding behind all those WMDs Bush said were there and NOBODY could see them!

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (169361)	6/16/2014 11:49:51 AM
From: longnshort	2 Recommendations Recommended By lorne TideGlider Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224748

Salman Pak Is there more than meets the eye to Salman Pak? In 1998 former Iraqi army captain Sabah Khalifa Khodad Alami reported the training of foreign terrorists by Mukhabarat officers in hijacking using knives at the Salman Pak facility. This was done on a Boeing 707. Since then, the existence of this plane was confirmed by satellite photos. Saddam Hussein had lied that there was no plane there. Khodada's drawing from memory of the Salman Pak facility is accurate, and he had not exaggerated his rank. He told PBS Frontline on October 14, 2001, "This camp is specialized in exporting terrorism to the whole world." [1] While it was said to be a counter-terrorist training camp by Douglas MacCollan, this is immediately supect given the existence of a "Tiger Group" of suicide bombers, [2] and MacCollan's claim was falsified. [3] Former Fedayeen officer and Unit 999 trainer Abu Mohammad claims that he first encountered Al Qaeda operatives at the Salman Pak facility in 1998. Additionally, there were 3 boxcars at Salman Pak where terrorists trained in railroad attacks, and there was an urban assault training center. Stephen F. Hayes reported:Beginning in 1994, the Fedayeen Saddam opened its own paramilitary training camps for volunteers, graduating more than 7,200 “good men racing full with courage and enthusiasm” in the first year. Beginning in 1998, these camps began hosting “Arab volunteers from Egypt, Palestine, Jordan, ‘the Gulf,’ and Syria.” It is not clear from available evidence where all of these non-Iraqi volunteers who were “sacrificing for the cause” went to ply their newfound skills. Before the summer of 2002, most volunteers went home upon the completion of training. But these camps were humming with frenzied activity in the months immediately prior to the war. As late as January 2003, the volunteers participated in a special training event called the “Heroes Attack.” This training event was designed in part to prepare regional Fedayeen Saddam commands to “obstruct the enemy from achieving his goal and to support keeping peace and stability in the province.”

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (169361)	6/16/2014 11:55:52 AM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224748

The stage is being set for World War III 8 cfp what a guy you voted for

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (169361)	6/16/2014 12:54:01 PM
From: locogringo	Respond to of 224748

loco, you are avoiding the question because you can't answer it. There is NO evidence of al-Qaeda being in Iraq before the Bush invasion. Your question is irrelevant and as useless as you and your ilk are in attempting to change the subject. I told you that your milksop girlie-boy failed president released the leader of this group 5 years ago. I told you that here: Message 29582640 From that point on, you and your girl friend groany are blaming President Bush for everything that your pansy president cannot solve. He was a failure then, and is more of a failure now. Admit it and move on. If you want to find out who was in the Garden of Babylon 4000 years ago, be my guest. How are obama's ratings? Ask those people about ISIS in Iraq and let me know their answer.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (169361)	6/16/2014 2:20:30 PM
From: jlallen	4 Recommendations Recommended By Bill locogringo longnshort lorne Respond to of 224748

Nonsense...... Ansar El Iraq was in Iraq prior to the invasion. You lie like the doofus in the WH.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (169361)

6/16/2014 11:34:39 PM

From: Follies

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loco, you are avoiding the question because you can't answer it. There is NO evidence of al-Qaeda being in Iraq before the Bush invasion.

That's a good question Kenny, do you think our only enemy is al Qaida? Could we have other enemies, Islamic enemies, that are not al Qaida?

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (169361)	6/17/2014 4:21:57 PM
From: Bill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224748

Hillary says there was.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (169361)	6/17/2014 4:37:20 PM
From: d[-_-]b	2 Recommendations Recommended By locogringo lorne Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224748

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (169361)	6/18/2014 8:50:48 AM
From: chartseer	1 Recommendation Recommended By locogringo Respond to of 224748

Here are more facts for you to disregard and ignore.. But Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was operating in Iraq long before the war. Indeed, his presence in Iraq was cited by Then-Secretary of State Colin Powell in his now infamous UN speech laying out the rationale for the war. Further, while the group did not call itself al Qaeda, al-Zarqawi was trained by Osama bin Laden and has ties with him going back to their days together in Afghanistan at the end of the Soviet occupation there in 1989. They met up again during the post-9/11 U.S. invasion of Afghanistan. [W]hile American intelligence agencies have pointed to links between leaders of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia and the top leadership of the broader Qaeda group, the militant group is in many respects an Iraqi phenomenon. They believe the membership of the group is overwhelmingly Iraqi. Its financing is derived largely indigenously from kidnappings and other criminal activities. And many of its most ardent foes are close at home, namely the Shiite militias and the Iranians who are deemed to support them.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (169361)	6/18/2014 9:13:25 AM
From: chartseer	1 Recommendation Recommended By locogringo Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224748

Add these facts to you list of disregarded and ignored facts. In the months leading up to the war on Iraq, Al Zarqawi's name reemerges, this time almost on daily basis, with reports focusing on his sinister relationship to Saddam Hussein. A major turning point in the propaganda campaign occurs on February 5, 2003. Al-Zarqawi was in the spot light following Colin Powell's flopped WMD report to the UN Security Council. Powell's speech presented "documentation" on the ties between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda, while focusing on the central role of Al-Zarqawi: (emphasis added): Our concern is not just about these illicit weapons; it's the way that these illicit weapons can be connected to terrorists and terrorist organizations... But what I want to bring to your attention today is the potentially much more sinister nexus between Iraq and the Al Qaeda terrorist network, a nexus that combines classic terrorist organizations and modern methods of murder. Iraq today harbors a deadly terrorist network, headed by Abu Musaab al-Zarqawi, an associate and collaborator of Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda lieutenants. Zarqawi, a Palestinian born in Jordan, fought in the Afghan War more than a decade ago. Returning to Afghanistan in 2000, he oversaw a terrorist training camp. One of his specialties and one of the specialties of this camp is poisons. When our coalition ousted the Taliban, the Zarqawi network helped establish another poison and explosive training center camp, and this camp is located in Northeastern Iraq. You see a picture of this camp. Graphic, above. [there were no WMDS at this camp according to ABC report, see below] The network is teaching its operative how to produce ricin and other poisons. Let me remind you how ricin works. Less than a pinch -- imagine a pinch of salt -- less than a pinch of ricin, eating just this amount in your food would cause shock, followed by circulatory failure. Death comes within 72 hours and there is no antidote. There is no cure. It is fatal. Those helping to run this camp are Zarqawi lieutenants operating in northern Kurdish areas outside Saddam Hussein's controlled Iraq, but Baghdad has an agent in the most senior levels of the radical organization Ansar al-Islam, that controls this corner of Iraq. In 2000, this agent offered Al Qaeda safe haven in the region. After we swept Al Qaeda from Afghanistan, some of its members accepted this safe haven. They remain there today. .... We know these affiliates are connected to Zarqawi because they remain, even today, in regular contact with his direct subordinates, including the poison cell plotters. And they are involved in moving more than money and materiel. Last year, two suspected Al Qaeda operatives were arrested crossing from Iraq into Saudi Arabia. They were linked to associates of the Baghdad cell, and one of them received training in Afghanistan on how to use cyanide. From his terrorist network in Iraq, Zarqawi can direct his network in the Middle East and beyond. [Note he is present in several countries at the same time] ....