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To: Alex MG who wrote (252957)	6/16/2014 7:33:08 PM
From: koan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 540924

I am pretty sure I have got this one Alex :>). I have thought about this for over 10 years. A canvas is not the concept here. Nor is it empty space. Or even a vacuum. And it has nothing to do with math as it doesn't exist. Therein lies the answer. Nothing does not exist. At all. Try and think of nothing. Can't be done. Can't be done because nothing doesn't exist and you cannot think of something that does not exist at all. Nothing is nothing. Now here is some logic to give you a foothold. If there was, no nothing, then there would be too much something. If there was no nothing then what is on the other side of something. Something could never be as big as nothing and someting, even in infinity. So there has to be some nothing.. What I do is pretend I am at the end of the universe. If the universe stopped expanding at that point, but you kept walking you would be creating new space out of nothing-lol. I had to smoke a doobie to explain that. if there is nothing there how can you put something there? you can't just call it "nothing"... even if it is empty space that is something a blank canvas is "something"... there is no "rational" answer to this, that is why it is so intriguing infinite cannot mathematically exist, but then how can it not... there will always be something, even if it is nothing, lol that's why i say it's a circular thing, as opposed to linear

To: Alex MG who wrote (252957)	6/16/2014 10:14:19 PM
From: bentway	Respond to of 540924

The fact is, no one knows where the universe ends, if it does, or if there's anything outside of it. This says this: astronomy.nmsu.edu What happens at the edge of the Universe? The short (but rather confusing) answer is that the Universe has no edges. It has no edges, no ends, and no center. All points within the Universe appear the same, and the Universe looks the same no matter where you are standing inside it. But what does this really mean? We said that a one dimensional universe could be visualized as piece of string, or a rubber band. Let us start with a foot long piece of string. It has two ends, and a centerpoint (six inches in from either end). How can we make a piece of string without any ends and no center? Tie the ends together, and form a circle! Now our string (or a rubber band) has been transformed into a smooth shape, with no centerpoint, no beginning and no end. We said that a two dimensional universe could be visualized as piece of paper, or a rubber sheet. Let us start with a foot square piece of paper. It has four edges, and a centerpoint (six inches in from any edge). How can we make a piece of paper without any edges? Loop the edges around together, and form a sphere! Now our paper (or a balloon) has been transformed into a smooth shape, with no centerpoint, no beginning and no end. The same technique could be used in our three dimensional universe if only we knew how to visualize it. So there are no ends to the Universe, and all points within it are equal. (The only reason that we observe distant galaxies in their infancy is because of the long time it takes for light from them to reach us. By the same token, the alien astronomers living in distant galaxies are observing the Milky Way as it appeared 10 billions years ago.) Here's some more good info about what we actually KNOW: cfa.harvard.edu