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To: Salah Mohamed who wrote (19092)12/13/1997 11:37:00 PM
From: Joe Antol  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 42771
 
Hi Salah,

>> Beyond their waffling on the 45 days channel inventory, and Jim McCormmick's concern about high educational sales of 37M (not concern of mine compared with 30M-32M sales in Q2-97 and Q3-97), I don't know where the numbers were fudged. Would you, or Joe, enlighten me?. <<

The numbers are (and remain unaudited). They didn't have to for Q4. E&Y are their auditors. You can be very creative when reflecting booking of sales. Schmidt "had to have" a "black Q".

That's all I'll say about it.

>> Regardless of the stock price, I will not buy this stock before I see significant buying by insiders, especially Bradford, this guy has been selling all along and he was right, when he buys with other insiders, this might be a good buy signal. Otherwise, if the big guys aren't willing to put their money where their mouth is, I'm not in the mood to get burned again. <<

100% agreement. And one of *my* primary reasons for watching this very closely now. Along with the "perception" in the industry issues. You also make a very strong case IMO that even with increased sales due to MOAB it won't be enough. I'm glad at least you and I agree on the fact that they needed to downsize even further (if they wanted to take the tact of going it on their own, which they obviously do now).

*** Off Topic ***

>> . If someone has some good reasons to buy ORCL other than the stock dropped 9-10 points in one day, I like to hear them. <<

1. Larry Ellison is the CEO
2. Ray Lane is the President
3. They have a better PR and Marketing department than Novell?

<GG>

No, really, I agree, it's a risky play (I know, I took it - I'm in for 1000 at 23 1/8 with another GTC OTB for 500 more at 20 1/4 or better).

The next 3 months IMO will shake out ORCL. Here's some stuff (whether it "flys" remains to be seen):

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
FRONT END: Oracle Openworld India 1997
Thin Clients, Fat Business

For developers, it was time to catch up with the latest technologies; and
for users, the conference/exhibition showcased solutions on Oracle
platform.

By D. Srilatha

In the most computer-savvy country,
United States, 70 percent of homes do
not have a computer; more than 90
percent of Asian homes are in the same
boat. Derek Williams, senior vice
president, Oracle Asia Pacific Division,
speaking at Oracle OpenWorld India,
held in New Delhi last month, argued for a
model of computing that uses low-cost computing devices connected to a
network, when he cited a study that concluded that, if the total population of
the world was downsized to 100, not a single individual would own a
computer.

The world's leading database vendor's information technology and business
solutions show reached Indian shores this year, as a recognition of the sizable
developer-user support available in this part of the world. For developers, it
was time to catch up with the latest Oracle offerings--both database and
development tools. For users, the conference/exhibition provided a glimpse
into products and solutions available on the Oracle platform.

Keynotes, seminars, an exhibition and a camproom (a forum for demonstrating
Oracle technologies) were the backdrop against which the hosts, their partners,
exhibitors and delegates interacted. Nearly 1,000 delegates attended the
convention, and 30 companies exhibited their products and services.
According to T. Srinivasan, director, Oracle India, the aim of the show was "to
spread awareness amongst the users" as regards Oracle technology. Jnan
Dash, vice president, advanced technology and strategy, Oracle, speaking at
the inaugural keynote, focussed this aim further: "Enabling the information age
through networked computing."

Fat Client, Thin Client

The company's CEO, Larry Ellison's concept of
the Network Computer (NC) was threaded into
the message delivered by various speakers.
Positioned against the "fat client" PCs running
Microsoft Windows operating system, "where
total cost of ownership ranges from $3,000 to
$10,000 per year", the NC is a sub-$500 network-centric computer. Instead
of depending on a specific type of hardware, CPU or operating system, it
provides an open client model that focuses on Internet standards and Java.
Oracle views network computing, said Dash, as a "culmination of mainframe
computing, Internet technology and client/server architecture." Oracle's
flagship, Oracle 8 RDBMS, the NC and supporting Network Computing
Architecture (NCA) are poised to enable network computing.

Demonstrations of the NC (a model by Funai of Japan), both at the talks and
at the exhibition, attracted the delegates and visitors attention. "At last, and at
least, there is a choice now," said Ravi Chari, vice president of network
solutions provider Zenith Infotech Ltd. Williams went further beyond just
talking of the NC to propose a national-level think tank on network computing,
to be set up with the participation of government, industry and academia.

Windows Still Attracts

The vision of network computing seemed to encompass Windows NT too.
Oracle's support for the Windows NT platform was highlighted, not only by
Oracle itself, but also by Digital Equipment India Ltd. (DEIL). Bobby
Choonawala, president, Digital Equipment Asia Pacific Pvt. Ltd., stressed
upon the Oracle-Digital partnership on Windows NT, solutions for which
include Oracle 8, data marts (comprising Oracle Server, Windows NT on
AlphaServer 4000) and clustering solutions on the NT platform.

Network computing forming the cornerstone of its business strategy, Oracle
went on to illustrate how the NC and the NCA could benefit businesses, either
in the emerging area of electronic commerce or in the traditional industry
segments of finance, consumer product goods, financial services and
telecommunications.

Comprising a data server (Oracle 8), application server (Oracle Web Server,
for instance) and a client (the NC), the NCA, according to Peter Relan, vice
president, Oracle, "enables businesses to change, provides operational
excellence and extends business reach."

Relan stressed on the opportunity for India of going directly to the NC model.
Examples of countries that have taken up electronic commerce projects in a big
way served to illustrate the possibilities. They include Malaysia's Multimedia
Super Corridor, which will handle electronic healthcare and education, and the
Philippines CyberCity which will offer facilities for commerce and
entertainment.

Showcasing the Partnerware

Oracle OpenWorld showed signs of liveliness even at the small exhibition
where 30 of Oracle's Alliance partners displayed their products and services.
The participants included Digital Equipment India Ltd., Tata IBM Ltd.,
Compaq Computer Corp., Tata Consultancy Services, NCR, Infosys
Technologies, Silicon Graphics, BMC Software, etc. All displayed products
that supported/used Oracle technology. Some exhibitors also used this venue
to preview some of their soon-to-be-launched products. What caught the eye
at the entrance to the exhibition was an information system, that through a
touch-screen interface, provided information about the day-to-day activities of
the conference. It was developed by Connexions Technologies India Pvt. Ltd.,
a Delhi-based software consultancy firm.

The most crowded part was, however, the Oracle pavilion where NCs were
being demonstrated. Using an NC card, the NC unit could be activated to
allow you to use an application (word-processor), look up the calendar for
personal appointment, surf the Web or even download Java applets. The NC
models will be available in the country in the first quarter of 1998, Srinivasan
informed.

Digital highlighted the availability of its clustering technology on the
AlphaServer 1000A rackmount system with Oracle 8 database. According to
DEIL officials, such clusters have been deployed at the National Stock
Exchange and Maruti Udyog Ltd. A datamart demo for a telecom application
using Oracle Server, on AlphaServer 4000, running on Windows NT, was
claimed to be the only VLM solution on the Windows NT platform. BMC
Software Solutions from USA used this forum to acquaint viewers with its
Patrol application and data management products that support Oracle 8,
among other RDBMSs. Infosys launched BancSmart, an Enterprise
Information System that comprises of a centralised data warehouse, and
dependent data marts for specific business areas.

Captive Audience

Though it's the Indian clone of the main Oracle OpenWorld, held at San
Francisco annually, it orchestrated a wholesome content for hundreds of
Oracle developers, serious users and prospects--with matching style (including
Remo Fernandes for an evening). Stressing the network computing paradigm
and its advantage to business, Oracle weaved it well with the applications
developed by its partners in India. The largest database vendor's message to its
users and developers, though subtly worded, was clear: Be with us.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Regards,

Joe...



To: Salah Mohamed who wrote (19092)12/14/1997 12:32:00 AM
From: Paul Fiondella  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 42771
 
Fudged numbers

Take a look at the other income category and the increase from the previous quarter. You'll have to look back at the chart I put up after the earnings announcement. It is enough to account for them meeting the street expectations alone.

Yes and you are quite right about the potential suicide in ORCL. For me a very short play. I think we have to be very careful in this market about buying. I only have a two point objective on ORCL however. I've done this before with Apple on the same short term basis. Keep in mind I'm trading using a real time service and following these stocks very closely intraday. Its not like buying a stock and building a portfolio. Not with Asia happening.



To: Salah Mohamed who wrote (19092)12/14/1997 11:02:00 AM
From: Jack Whitley  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 42771
 
<<Moab is basically a product for the enterprise, let's wear our rosy shades and assume that they will be able to grow their NOS sales by 15% yearly, this amounts to about 100M additional sales yearly>>

Salah,
Great post, we should all start paying $1 each or something to get your information.

I agree with most of what you posted except your forecast of 15% growth for Novell NOS sales. I think the enterprise network market as a whole is going to grow faster than 10-15% per year starting 3rd or 4th quarter of 1998, for reasons I outlined a few thousand posts ago. For this reason, a successful MOAB should be able to do better than 15% year over year growth.

I agree, and always have, that the smaller businesses need to be addressed. My thought would be to try to get back in there using BorderManager FastCache, many small businesses need better bandwidth on their websites (or need a website) and FastCache looks like it provides large increases in capacity with minimum additional hardware expenditures. I would blanket the small business community touting this while working on Netware 5.0 Lite.

jww



To: Salah Mohamed who wrote (19092)12/14/1997 7:47:00 PM
From: Scott C. Lemon  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 42771
 
Hello Salah,

As usual, I welcome you posts as they lend some very good perspective to things. While reading your posts, I was curious as to whether you had looked into a couple of areas:

>---------------------------
>>IntranetWare 5.0 (Moab) is going to be a much stronger product than
>>4.11.<
>
> Moab is basically a product for the enterprise, let's wear our rosy
> shades and assume that they will be able to grow their NOS sales by
> 15% yearly, this amounts to about 100M additional sales yearly
> (currently, NOS sales including IFSB is 600M-700M yearly), if one
> optimistically assumes these additional sales will add about 70M to
> the bottom line, this will increase the EPS by $.14/year if you
> factor in taxes. Nothing to be excited about.

Have you started to look into the potential market for BoderManager and our caching products? I'm thinking that with the press that has started to show up, maybe the market is starting to learn and better understand the need for these products. I'm curious about your perspective on whether the caching marketplace looks like the beginning of something that could more than replace the traditional NOS sales. Any ideas? Comments?

> ---------------------------
>>The low end is still a vacuum on two levels at Novell. I see them
>>still pushing IFSB.<
>
> Yes, Schmidt stated in several occasions that MSFT is dominant in
> this area and they will do something about it, but nothing is
> happening. In their Q4-97 announcement, they referred to enterprise
> only, not a single word about SB:
>
> *************************
> From the 4th para of Q4-97 announcement:
>
> Novell's core business -- supplying software for very large
> networks -- was its strongest ever.
> *************************
>
> From this statement, I gathered they gave up on SB, I thought their
> core business is -- supplying networking software and related
> services for businesses -- large and small. The growth rate for the
> enterprise probably is in the 10%-15% range, and for SB is in the
> 40%-60% range. If they are going to prosper, they need to do
> something about the low end QUICKLY.
>
> ---------------------------

On the Small Business side of things, I still believe that we have a good opportunity to sell into these same accounts. I don't believe that it's all or nothing ... there are many ways in which our products are continuing to "compliment" the Microsoft sale ... to make their products work. I also believe that the caching technology leads us into sales into ISPs ... and that ISPs are a more natural fit for outsourcing to small businesses, and a way into small businesses. We already know that the small business will be buying Windows for the desktops ... I believe that Novell's power will be in providing additional software and services into this market ... not instead of. Your perspective?

Scott C. Lemon