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To: tejek who wrote (794123)	7/8/2014 12:32:57 AM
From: i-node	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1577126

Much more bureaucracy, higher costs, people actually having fewer options, pressure on doctors increasing, health insurance companies getting screwed over and consolidating to survive, etc. I won't argue on this points because its too soon to tell if any of these R talking points will come true. Every single one of the items Ten listed have ALREADY been shown to be true. Every one of them. >> What costs did they hide? You're kidding. He signed the bill without the public having ever had a chance to see it! In spite of his commitment to have it on the Internet for public inspection before-the-fact. Even members of Congress never had a chance to read it before voting on it. So, what was hidden? The cost of subsidies; the so-called "risk corridors"; and Obama has now told insurance companies he will divert money, if necessary from other sources which Congress hasn't approved to bail them out if they will just stay in the program through the election. Worse than the hidden costs are the delays which have caused costs to increase so much CBO can't even estimate them. They've thrown up their hands, and said, in effect, "If you remember that 2010 deficit reduction stuff we talked about? Well, we know it isn't reducing the deficit but we have no fucking idea how badly because it is so screwed up we can't figure out how to estimate it." The program is effectively dead at this point. The only question is how many people will it kill before it is reversed.

To: tejek who wrote (794123)	7/8/2014 5:31:30 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1577126

Ted, What costs did they hide? All of the ObamaCare mandates amount to hidden costs. The government doesn't want to pay for the benefits because they wanted to keep up the fantasy of the program being "revenue-neutral," so they force others to pay them. Hence the reason why many people lost their insurance as a result of ObamaCare, because their insurers couldn't afford to meet the mandates with the existing premiums. These people had to upgrade to more expensive plans whether they liked it or not. But anyway, the bigger problem IMO is not the access to health care, which ObamaCare does indeed improve. The bigger problem is the skyrocketing cost of health care itself. ObamaCare only addresses the insurance side but not the provider side. More supply, more competition, less regulation in some areas and more regulation in others, will help but ObamaCare does nothing. Instead, demand for health care will only go up, which will necessarily lead to higher costs for everyone. Tenchusatsu