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To: i-node who wrote (795701)	7/19/2014 3:48:33 PM
From: combjelly	1 Recommendation Recommended By D.Austin Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1579831

I think Twain's (and others') point was that the land was a wasteland, substantially unoccupied, and that Arafat lied when he claimed, as he did, that there was some kind of "invasion". That was Twain's point. But it wasn't the case. He seemed to have a blind spot with respect to the Muslims in Palestine. Here are some other from roughly the same time as Twain. From that same wikipedia entry. After a visit to Palestine in 1891, Ahad Ha'am wrote: From abroad, we are accustomed to believe that Eretz Israel is presently almost totally desolate, an uncultivated desert, and that anyone wishing to buy land there can come and buy all he wants. But in truth it is not so. In the entire land, it is hard to find tillable land that is not already tilled; only sandy fields or stony hills, suitable at best for planting trees or vines and, even that after considerable work and expense in clearing and preparing them- only these remain unworked. ... Many of our people who came to buy land have been in Eretz Israel for months, and have toured its length and width, without finding what they seek. [39] In 1852 the American writer Bayard Taylor traveled across the Jezreel Valley, which he described in his 1854 book The Lands of the Saracen; or, Pictures of Palestine, Asia Minor, Sicily and Spain as: "one of the richest districts in the world.", [40] while Lawrence Oliphant, who visited Palestine in 1887, wrote that Palestine's Valley of Esdraelon was "a huge green lake of waving wheat, with its village-crowned mounds rising from it like islands; and it presents one of the most striking pictures of luxuriant fertility which it is possible to conceive." [41] According to Paul Masson, a French economic historian, "wheat shipments from the Palestinian port of Acre had helped to save southern France from famine on numerous occasions in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries." [42] In 1856 H.B. Tristram said of Palestine "A few years ago the whole Ghor (Jordan Valley) was in the hands of the fellaheen, and much of it cultivated for corn. Now the whole of it is in the hands of the Bedouin, who eschew all agriculture…The same thing is now going on over the plain of Sharon where….land is going out of cultivation and whole villages rapidly disappeared….Since the year 1838, no less than twenty villages there have thus erased from the map, and the stationary population extirpated." [43]

To: i-node who wrote (795701)	7/19/2014 4:31:21 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1579831

I would really like to know, if the Jews cannot have the land they built, what do you and other liberals expect they will do? Well, at the very least they need to stop the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. And try treating them with a little respect instead of doing things like controlling to amount of food going into Gaza to keep them on the edge of starvation. If they wonder why the Palestinians hate them so much, those are not things that endear a population to you. Which is not to say that the Palestinians would necessarily start behaving. But the moral high ground gets you more support. No one is saying they should leave, although if they got a sudden pining for the Falklands I wouldn't be broken up about it. But the settlements have got to stop. Some of them need to be torn down.