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To: D Edwards who wrote (3666)12/14/1997 11:45:00 PM
From: blankmind  Respond to of 23519
 
-- You're always going to hear that there's a better product around the corner. The proof is in the pudding.

-- If VVUS's refill rate is so low; then how do you explain $100 mill in sales?

-- Also, if there was an effective topical solution or pill, then they would be on the market already. Where are they?

Out.



To: D Edwards who wrote (3666)12/15/1997 12:03:00 AM
From: Cacaito  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 23519
 
D Edwards, Muse does work, and probably close to 100% in psychogenic ED, and it works in mild to moderate organic ED, and some severe ED and they are working in a combination that will improved this.

The psychogenic patient will refill little, he will gain the confident he needs and keep going on his own. The others are going to refill and even a %20 refill will be a great one, a 10% will assure profits.

The rubbing gels are poor conceptual products and will not take market , the orals will take some market, but even the 3% that will see blue will end up in Muse cause physicians will not prescribed to this group that drug again and suggest Muse as alternative, and many other problems like drug interactions will suit Muse better than the orals.

This is not the problem. The stock will not have gone to $42, because this was wildly known at the time.

The problem is production, If management reassure me full production of both NJ plants for mid 98 I am a holder, if earlier I am a buyer.
But I do not believe them.



To: D Edwards who wrote (3666)12/15/1997 12:46:00 AM
From: Steve Childs  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 23519
 
The point I was trying to make was that as soon as Macrochem or Nexmed's topical
applications become available Muse is going to be in big time trouble. If you don't think so
then you must feel more comfotable about putting a supository down your urethra than
merely rubbing a topical ointment on top of the glans of the penis. I could be wrong, but I
suspect that most of my patients would agree with me.

Again, these are my views.

I think a pill is the easiest delivery system. If it works anywhere near reported then I
believe it will be the biggest player in the ED market. That is the main point.


From Hilm2, Motley fool board, provided by D Edwards.

To the urologists on this thread: could the above statement really be from a urologist worth his salt talking? If so, hand me his license. He believes a topical ointment can do what a trans-urethral drug can do delivered directly into the local tissue affected? Or even Viagra, a systemic solution? Is this guy for real?



To: D Edwards who wrote (3666)12/15/1997 1:00:00 AM
From: Zebra 365  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 23519
 
It works.

D Ewards wrote:

<<<As a VVUS shareholder, the only significant issue is simple:
Does the product work for the average ED patient?>>>

Well if you think the whole thing is a fraud, then I guess you won't believe this either. By the way, your "urologist" has no profile on aol, and frankly, urology is a surgical specialty, not too many are "happy" with a lot of office visits as opposed to being in the OR. Of course now that the bottom is dropping out of the penile implant business........

vivus.com

VIVUS filed a New Drug Application (NDA) with the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for its first product, MUSE(alprostadil) urethral suppository for consideration on March 27, 1996. MUSE received priority review status by the FDA and was cleared for marketing on November 19, 1996.

In preparation for the filing, VIVUS completed pivotal Phase III studies, which were the largest, prospective, double-blind, placebo-controlled studies ever undertaken in men with severe, organic erectile dysfunction. These studies enrolled spouses as well as patients, collecting information about response to treatment from both partners. During the home treatment phase, sixty-five percent of patients using MUSE (alprostadil) reported successful intercourse compared with nineteen percent of the placebo patients. The studies also demonstrated that the effectiveness of MUSE (alprostadil) is independent of patient age or the cause of erectile dysfunction. In addition, successful treatment with MUSE (alprostadil) resulted in a statistically significant improvement in the relationship between patients and their partners, and in the patient's perception of his well-being.

Recent estimates suggest that the number of men in the United States with erectile dysfunction may range from 10 to 20 million. VIVUS believes that similar rates of erectile dysfunction prevail outside the United States. The incidence of the problem increases exponentially in men after their late 50s, and studies indicate that 30 percent of males worldwide between the ages of 40 and 70 experience some form of erectile dysfunction. As the population of the United States and other developed countries ages, the proportion of men affected by erectile dysfunction should increase and it is estimated that by the year 2000, 47 million men worldwide will be affected.

Abstract Presented by Dr. Harin Padma-Nathan
at the Western Section of the American Urological Association Annual Meeting
July 31, 1996
RESTORATION OF ERECTILE FUNCTION BY TRANSURETHRAL ALPROSTADIL IMPROVES THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR PATIENTS AND THEIR PARTNERS. Harin Padma-Nathan, Ronald G. Anderson, Stanley A. Brosman, Robert G. Ferrigni, Fred E. Govier, Richard F. Labasky, Tom F. Lue, Ira D. Sharlip, Gary M. Stack, Emil A. Tanagho, Jay M. Young, Christy Cowley, Neil Gesundheit, Craig A. Peterson, Alfred P. Spivack, Darby E. Stephens, Peter Y. Tam, Virgil A. Place, and the VIVUS-MUSE Study Group, Menlo Park, CA.
Previous studies have shown that alprostadil, delivered transurethrally, can restore erections and sexual intercourse in many men with chronic erectile dysfunction. We have now studied the effect of treatment and restoration of sexual function on Quality of Life in couples during a three-month, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial.

Methods. We studied 996 adult men (age: 30-84; mean 62) with chronic organic erectile dysfunction (mean duration: 48 months) who were in a stable, heterosexual, monogamous relationship and responded adequately to transurethral alprostadil during in-clinic titration. Patients were randomized to home therapy for three months with either active drug (at their titrated dose) or placebo (double-blind). Patients and partners each completed Quality of Life questionnaires before, during, and after the study. Participants indicated their response to each question on a 0-100 scale. The questionnaire included questions about anxiety, self-esteem, and mood (depression), which were analyzed as an "Emotional Well-Being" domain. Questions about the couple's sexual and nonsexual relationship were analyzed as a "Relationship With Partner" domain.

Results. All couples had been unable to engage in sexual intercourse for at least 3 months preceding enrollment. During home treatment, 64.9% of patients on alprostadil vs. 18.6% of those on placebo reported intercourse at least once (p < 0.001). Couples randomized to active drug or placebo had comparable Quality of Life scores at baseline. In patients who responded to active medication, there was a significant improvement in the "Emotional Well-Being" domain compared to those on placebo (p < 0.004). Similarly, there was a significant improvement in the "Relationship With Partner" domain for responders and for partners of responders compared to placebo (p < 0.001 for each). There was no change in either the active or placebo group in the "Emotional Well-Being" domain of the partner.

Summary. Restoration of sexual intercourse by transurethral alprostadil is associated with improvement in several important Quality of Life domains: "Emotional Well-Being" for patients and "Relationship With Partner" for both the patient and his partner.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~'

Too bad there are no comparable data about Viagra yet. Especially in the severe organic class. I hate to dredge data, but as an aside, I find it interesting that, even in this study group, there was an 18.6% placebo response. So that might mean that "anything" will have a effect on one-fifth of the patients. The placebo response is the stuff that keeps quackery thriving.

Zebra



To: D Edwards who wrote (3666)12/15/1997 10:15:00 PM
From: Edderd  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 23519
 
This is a strange post. I am a urologist in an eight man practice and our experience is nowhere like the what is referenced above. Not only does MUSE work well for organic impotence (peer reviewed studies for post radical prostatectomy and diabetic impotence) but our refill rate is over 50% at the prsent time. All impotence medications will work on psychogenic impotence but that is not the point. This urologist is gaming the system by having the patients come back for four visits to titrate the dose. We let the patient do the dosing at home where it is likely to do the most good. After four visits to the urologist at the wrong dose many people will give up. Automatic rejection.
Ed