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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (9979)	12/15/1997 2:05:00 AM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

Emile; Was the Bible written by Jews through Gods word? Was the Torah written by Jews through Gods word? Was the Talmud written by Jews through Gods word? (IF NOT I AM NOT INTERESTED IN DEFENDING IT) Is Talmudic Judaism based on the Torah (IF NOT I AM NOT INTERESTED IN DEFENDING IT.) Answer those Questions and don't side step the issues. Alan

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (9979)	12/15/1997 3:03:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Well, Emile, this has been an audio/visual illusion. As we type words, it is hard to see eyes and gear spirits. I hear Nancy's spirit, and I hear a Christian who was born a Jew and does not hate her people. She has relatives that aren't saved, and loves them. So does Alan. I hear that and understand it completely. I have friends who are all manner of ungodly and rebellious creeps in Arizona, it is the gathering place of the ungodly and rowdy. But I never met so many sinners I loved in my life. Great personalities, funny, and good helpful friends. But they weren't Christian, and probably said blasphemis things around other people they never said around me. And they were in every state of backslidding, paganism, you name it. But I didn't hate them. Some of these ungodly people who may be on their way to hell I still miss. They were always fun to be around. I hear Nancy and Alan talking about their friends and families the same way. They haven't presented anyone as saintlike and pure, but they are Jewish people that Nancy and Alan love, like, enjoy, and are related to. You can't fault a person for not hating their entire personal background. But you have faulted Nancy and Alan for that, and that is what the rest of us haven't been able to understand. So what you see and hear is not what I see and hear. I see the post on the Talmud and get a queasy feeling we may be seeing the exact truth of the matter. Nancy and Alan see it and have a different reaction because it seems impossible it could be true. If we all put Jesus Christ first and realize everyone here is a miracle of belief in the first place, I think the Holy Spirit will be more pleased. Yes, Emile, I have been very upset at the way you are hammering at Alan. And then treating Nancy almost with the same frustration and anger you would a non-believer who was arguing against Jesus Christ. RAther than like the strong believer she is. So of course that was something no one liked either. Now the Talmud quotes. You have finally provided something concrete, and I wish it had come earlier, but pease be gracious enough to give those concerned a chance to look for themselves before there is any further accusations of complicity with something noone knows anything about in the first place. I would look for myself, but I know I can't get a copy of the Talmud, no way. This is all so heavy.