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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (9999)	12/15/1997 4:40:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Emile, I only posted that after much soul searching on the matter and waiting and waiting and waiting for you to either post the Talmud excerpts or distance yourself from what sounded like straight l939 Nazi party stuff. Read your posts back, and you will see it. It doesn't matter what someone says, it is what they say sounds like. We have all been upset here for almost what, over a soliid week of this every day and we're only now getting anywhere. I just got into it because I know there are people who lurk here, and I was hoping that if we were talking about the Old TEstament and what it means in relation to a Christian in the new testament they would be interested in talking about their own beliefs. Then Alan showed up and then we have been in a strange war. Emile, I'm not worried about this. I think that if you made me wonder if you might be tied in with a heavy Aryan church of some kind, that maybe you are getting a little to one side. I know I get a little to this side and that side and I have to be straightened out and put right back in the middle of the Path where I belong. Don't think that you are above it. You have lost your objectivity about the Talmud long ago EMile. It is about as subjective as it gets. That is obvious from your first word. That is why it is easy to misunderstand. Because you are so emotionally involved in the question you run to battle dragging a full cannon and fire away before you see the whites of their eyes. I have a couple of such subjects myself, and I go ballistic on the reality of it whenever it is mentioned. So, please don't get mad at me, but just consider for a moment that if you cause ME to wonder, then maybe you are losing your ability to handle the problem in a quiet and clever manner, moving in slowly being wise as a serpent but gentle as a dove. In everything else you are, but not this. ANd Robert is no less involved. So yes, after a week it was causing me great inner turmoil, and finally I said what I was beginning to wonder about--could anybody seem to hate Jews as much as you and Robert do. You don't hate Jews and I know that. You hate the Talmud. So at least we now have the Talmud out for full inspection, and it is a shocker so far, I'll admit. But even admitting to Alan it is totally from a separate and evil source, you still say there is no difference in that evil and wicked thing we saw in print and some sweet old Jewish worshipper at Temple praying to the God Moses saw face to face. What you could have done is said, "well of course there is a difference, and we know that. One work is truly of satan, and probably written by people satan literally entered into as he does other now. But I am afraid that the sweetest Jewish worshipper in Temple will still suffer the same fate as those who study the Talmud and believe it. This seems unfair, but if we believe the words of our Lord Jesus Christ and all of the scriptures on salvation, we see that the end result seems to be the same. Only those who accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God will be those in Heaven, as stated by Jesus Himself, John, Paul, Peter and every word of scripture points to no exceptions." That is a more kind way to answer an honest question about a book none of us were aware of until you explained the contents to us. Unless you do believe Alan knew the Talmud, and surely you could see he didn't. That's why I finally asked you right out if there was something else behind your seeming anger with Alan and Nancy. It was over the hatred for the Talmud, and I can see why if that is in fact from the Talmud, and let's give everyone the right to check it out because it is a shocker. But truthfully, Emile, if I had gone off on one of my subjects and you had finally said gosh, I have to tell you, you are so out of control on this I'm wondering if you are involved with the KKK or the neo-Nazis I would take it as a hint I should handle my conversations with a little more gentleness and politeness maybe. Can you see how this might be so in this situation? All I know is you and Alan have been at it like lifelong enemies for a solid week, and I don't think you knew each other before this thread, did you? You'll have to admit something went wrong very quickly, and I know I was beyond surprised. I was flabbergasted. I think this has been a tough night with some very hard to bear information, and again, I trust the Holy Spirit that none of this could have happened by chance, so I continue to feel that much is coming to Light all at once.