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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (145404)	8/29/2014 11:56:12 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149319

"If I give my underage son money and he goes and buys alcohol, the alcohol store owner is held responsible, not me." If your underage son says "I want alcohol", and you take him to the store, give him money, and wait outside, or if you buy it for him (straw purchase), you are responsible. If he sneaks it, you aren't. In this case, it was "My bucket list", followed by "taking her to the store, giving her money, and waiting outside", but that was only cuz the instructor was "inside".

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (145404)	8/29/2014 12:31:58 PM
From: pcstel	Respond to of 149319

<If I give my underage son money and he goes and buys alcohol, the alcohol store owner is held responsible, not me.< I guess that is a difference of perspective. I consider that morally, and in most cases legally, I am responsible for the actions of my children until they reach the age of "consent", or are considered an adult by society. usually 18. If I give my underh-age child $20 to go to the movies, and they leave the house. I AM RESPONSIBLE for their actions and whereabouts. If they lie to me, and instead of going to the movies, the visit a liquor store, and they purchase alcohol. I do not consider it to be the fault of the liquor store owner, as my child may have provided falsified ID, or other circumstances that are unkown, etc. At the end of the day.. I DO NOT TRANSFER MY RESPONSIBILITY as a parent, to a third party, simply because they have left my "direct supervision" I am responsible for where they are, who they are with, and what they are doing until the age of 18.. No IF's, AND's, or BUT's. The Govt. passing laws that restrict freedoms of Americans, so that the Govt. becomes a surrogate NANNY for the people that are ultimately responsible for the actions of their underage dependents is wrong. Let's be ultimately responsible for our children.. Their upbringing, their Education, their values, their morality. It is easy to point one's finger to blame others for their own failures, because it is just too inconvenient to fulfill your obligations as THE parent. And So it Goes, PCSTEL