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To: Rambi who wrote (5263)	12/15/1997 4:59:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	Respond to of 71178

My parents came from Austria. About the same as German as regards mores surrounding food&drink. Of course now my drinking capacity has been sharply curtailed by my newfound talent for migraines. So beer and wine are very occasional indulgences. On a related subject: My momma smoked Pall Malls. Packaday. The smell sickened me, sometimes literally. Sure, I tried cigarettes in high school, but that too was just not for me. The aftertaste and afterstink were too high a price, especially since as drug experiences go, cigarettes rate behind the ever-more discreet cold remedies... She successfully quit about 10 years ago. I would'n'a believed it.

To: Rambi who wrote (5263)	12/15/1997 5:03:00 PM
From: BlueCrab	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71178

Ah, the allure of the forbidden fruit... I had my first beer when I was 14 (other than sips from my uncles' bottles as a very young boy - tasted horrible). I was working for a farmer, bringing in hay for $0.005/bale, field to loft (yep, that's a half-a-cent, and we worked our tails off, too). That particular day was about 90 degrees and humid, pretty bad for the hill country of western PA, so we came in dragging ass pretty bad. The old guy usually gave us some raw milk out of his cooler (great stuff), but on that day he left three beers out for us, very cold. We sat and sipped the beer, regaining a little strength as a thunderstorm approached; by the time we were done, the storm broke and we stood out in the cold downpour. I don't think I'll ever have a beer taste better than that one did...

To: Rambi who wrote (5263)	12/15/1997 5:22:00 PM
From: greenspirit	Respond to of 71178

Speaking of selling alcohol to kids. Check this out...Article.. Cyber Patrol Can Prevent Minors From Ordering Alcohol Over the Internet The Learning Company Says Parents Should Use Cyber Patrol Internet Filtering Software While Law Enforcement Pursues Vendors Who Sell to Children CAMBRIDGE, Mass., Dec. 15 /PRNewswire/ -- The Learning Company, Inc. (NYSE:TLC) today reminded parents that Cyber Patrol can prevent minors from accessing sites where they can purchase alcohol on the Internet by using Cyber Patrol's unique blocking list which includes a category for Alcohol & Tobacco. A new feature to be added to the software in January will block the sending of order forms to cybervendors. On Friday, New York Attorney General Dennis Vacco announced that his office had conducted a "sting" operation, and was advising a number of wine and liquor merchants that they were in violation of the law prohibiting the sale of alcohol to minors. Cyberspace liquor merchants counter that the law enforcement operation is backed by a special-interest group of liquor wholesalers, who see the direct sale off the Internet as cutting into their profits. Vacco told The Today Show on Friday morning that he would be asking his counterparts in other states to pursue similar action. Richard A. Gorgens, vice president of advanced technology for the Internet Solutions Group of The Learning Company, said that while the matter is resolved by law enforcement, parents have the option of controlling what adolescents access and order over the Net. "Parents can use Cyber Patrol filtering software to prevent their children from visiting Web sites where alcohol is promoted or sold. The new feature we are adding to our software permits parents to block the sending of order forms and other material online," Gorgens said, adding that the ChatGard feature on Cyber Patrol already allows parents to control the personal information their children send to strangers in cyberspace, including credit card numbers. "The enhancement can be used to block all outgoing communications on the Web while still allowing children to view material their parents find appropriate," Gorgens said. Cyber Patrol is America's most widely used Internet filtering software. It is currently available on the World Wide Web at www.cyberpatrol.com. In January, it will be available at retail. ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ Penni, My experience differs greatly from Alex's. However, I tend to agree with his parents approach. Offering alcohol under controlled settings can help demystify the way teenagers view the use of alcohol. The one thing I would suggest Penni, is go down and get as many anti drinking and driving video's as you can get your hands on. It's a real killer and because of some stupid laws kids can't be exposed to the realities of it at school. I've actually been involved quite a bit in setting up lectures and giving training on this topic. The best resource I have found to give top quality impacting lectures is the Coroners office. They usually have slides of recent accidents in your area, and can tell you first hand what it's like to walk up to a car full of teenagers killed in a DWI accident. A car is a deadly weapon, and far too many of our children don't know or believe it! The MADD organization is also a great resource. My suggestion, ask your kids if they have had some training or slides on this topic at school. If not, I would without question line up my own training. The people at the coroners office love to help in this regard. Invite some friends over who have teenagers and are concerned, and have your own personal teenage wake up call. It's not a fun night, but sometimes reality isn't a bowl full of jelly. The last time I lined up some training a wonderful lady from MADD came and brought a picture of her daughter 18 and recently killed by a drunk driver. I'll tell you Penni, it tore me up to watch and understand what that poor woman must be going through. Her daughter was working in the summer as a flag girl on the Tacoma Narrows bridge when an asshole drunk, arrested three times previously, killed her. I better stop now because this topic really gets my blood pressure going. Michael

To: Rambi who wrote (5263)	12/16/1997 8:50:00 AM
From: Averill Shepps	Respond to of 71178

I've been reading others experiences with alcohol and feel I should add my 2 cents. I gave my son beer and wine in small amounts so that he got used to it. At holiday meals he could have a glass of wine of he wanted it along with adults. I wanted him to know what it was like and to demystify it as others have mentioned. It worked. When he went away to college, he said he had actually had less experience with alcohol than many of his classmates. But that their experience had been to drink to get drunk. I had an example in the family of the danger of driving while drinking as a nephew was killed in an accident at age 20. He had been drinking and drove into a bridge support, dying instantly. I could point to that example - my son was about 13 at the time - and I told him that he should be really careful about who drove when he left a party where kids had been drinking. I told him to do the driving himself or to call me if he was in a situation that seemed dangerous. He never called, of course, but he did drive a couple of times. When he was 15, the mother of a friend of his decided to show her sons what would happen to them if they drank too much. Tony was staying with them for the weekend. It was a very good experience because they all learned that they got out of control and did stupid things. However, I was not happy with the parent for not telling me what she was going to do. She was English, by the way. They do have a more sensible approach to alcohol in Europe, no question.