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To: tejek who wrote (145885)9/14/2014 3:26:16 PM
From: Metacomet  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 149317
 
The surplus of labor was caused by the worst recession since the Great Depression


..which was aggravated by the wholesale outsourcing of production and jobs as rules on producers were relaxed to the point that the overseas transfer of manufacturing jobs was a tax write off..

..you ship the jobs offshore, you get a labor surplus..

...which any decent Romney-esque fuckface would then exploit by reducing wages..

...supply and demand you know.....



To: tejek who wrote (145885)9/14/2014 8:13:09 PM
From: pcstel  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 149317
 
<The surplus of labor was caused by the worst recession since the Great Depression that culminated at the end of the Bush administration due to his administration's lack of oversight.<

LOL!! You read the facts, but your commitment to your Ideology and it's idols results in the loss of one the greatest assets you have in live.. Your Integrity.

Talk to Barney Frank about it.

<As for the employment of illegals, companies that do so are breaking the law and subject to severe fines. How come you didn't know that?<

Do you have ANY IDEA, ANY CLUE about the challenges companies and Corporations, and even the US Govt. face in verifying a persons legality to work in the US. The employer can be sued to the high heavens if he even questions the validity of a document presented that looks "unvalid".

Availability of fraudulent documents to "prove' identity and income eligibility are easily available for a fee, and many can be printed on a home computer..

The employer can not really call into question the validity of the documents without facing discrimination charges.

Here is what the Justice Dept says..
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Q. A worker has presented an employer with a document that looks fake. Can an employer refuse to accept it without violating the anti-discrimination provision?

A. You may reject a document if it does not reasonably appear to be genuine or to relate to the person. However, you should not apply different levels of scrutiny to documents based on a worker's citizenship status or national origin. In this instance, the employer may ask the worker for different documentation if the request is based on the fact that the first document presented does not reasonably appear to be genuine. If a document is rejected, and the worker is not offered an opportunity to produce a different document, the worker may allege discriminatory document abuse. For further guidance, contact OSC.

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There is not an employer alive that is going to risk being sued by a person they are hiring for "discriminatory document abuse". The law says that the document should "reasonably appear to be genuine".

Well, HR departments, or small employers are not trained as document inspectors, and the risks of punitive discriminatory legal action by the employee is far greater than any fine that could be levied.

An acquaintance of mine runs a Metal Fabrication Facility. New employees come in with documents that may not appear to be genuine, but they "reasonably appear to be genuine" So United States is misspelled.. Close enough. His lawyers have told him to never deny employment based on documents that do not appear to be genuine. You hire them, and put them on Payroll and let the Government figure it out.

First line on the I-9 form states:
Antti-discrimination Notice- It is illegal to discriminate against work-authorized individuals. Employers CANNOT specify which document(s) they will accept from the employee. The refusal to hire an individual because the documentation presented has a future expiration date may also constitute illegal discrimination.

Typically, about a year passes and the employer receives documents from the IRS that says that the SSN and the Name do not match, please update your records for the correct SSN. Well, the game is well known and they know exactly how it works, and the "employee" knows their legal rights, and knows that you are not going to call them out, due to discrimination charges. So you call them in and the they go.. Ohh! There is a mistake on this iI-9 form. You see this number 7 in my SSN, it should be a 2. So you change the SSN number and the game continues for another year, until you get another letter from the IRS, claiming the same issue.. Now the 3 should have been an 8. And of course the real kicker here is.. They all claim some ridiculous number of dependents like 22 so no taxes are withheld. After the 3rd year, they typically leave for another job to begin the cycle all over again..

This is FACT

And if you think it's just employers that won't dispute "suspicious documents" identity documents, neither will the IRS.

wthr.com

<"You know it's phony"
"I'd get stacks of ITIN applications – at least 250 – a day, and your job was to get them in and out. Just get them done and get that person a [ITIN] number," explained a former IRS worker who served as a trainer at an ITIN processing center. "You have to do X amount in an hour or you don't get your pay grade raise, you don't get that great evaluation. You have to kick them out as quickly as possible if you want to keep your job."

That worker, and most others who talked with WTHR, said pressure to process as many ITIN applications as possible leaves little time for scrutinizing documents that are supposed to accompany each ITIN application.

In addition to a the formal application, referred to as a W-7, ITIN applicants must also provide two original or certified copies of identifying documents, such as a foreign birth certificate, drivers license or voter ID card. According to IRS workers, those types of documents are easily forged, and bogus documents are what the ITIN processing center in Austin, Tex., receives every day.

"You can make most of them on your home computer," explained one of the IRS whistleblowers.

"So how do you know if the documentation is real or fake?" asked 13 Investigates.

"You don't," the whistleblower said.

"I can't read Spanish so I couldn't even read [the documents]," explained another IRS insider.

"Wait a second. You're expected to process documents and you don't even read the language the documents are [written] in?" 13 Investigates asked.

"Correct," they said simultaneously.

"We get applications from Mexico, Honduras, China, Japan, Bulgaria, all over the world. How are we supposed to read all that? But I guarantee 90% of them are phony. We see the same signatures hundreds of times. We see the same docs photocopied and attached to different applications. It's the same person, same photo, same address. I've seen the same birth certificate twelve times now in the past day. You see it all on an ITIN application," the IRS insider said.

"So what do you do with that application?" we asked.

"If the documentation is there, process it," admitted the insider.

"How? It was your job to make sure that documentation was correct," 13 Investigates said.

"No," the IRS insider said, quickly shaking his head. "There's no way for us to do that. The documents would come in. That's it. We're done with it. We accept it … no ifs, ands or buts. You can sit there and look and you know it's phony. [There's] nothing we can do about it. Absolutely nothing."<




And so it goes,

PCSTEL