To: Greg or e who wrote (58064 ) 9/16/2014 1:39:52 PM From: Solon Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300 More of your moronic drivel and incoherent insults! Christ, you are one dimmy of a dummy!"You may believe your circular reasoning is justified" I don't believe circular reasoning is sound. You have never been able to fault my reasoning. You simply think (or pretend to think) that your dim declarations are the equivalent of argument. Of course you are stupid to think that, just as are stupid to think that the universe and the earth are 6000 years old."prove for us scientifically your belief that nothing exists beyond the natural world" You're setting up a straw man. So let me stop you in your teenage tracks. If there is something that you imagine the possibility of but which (in reality) cannot exist or cannot be achieved, then I say this is imaginary. If it is something that can exist or can be achieved (whether by Yahweh, Thor, Satan, or you--then I call it a part of Nature--a part of the world of Reality. In other words, it doesn't matter whether you call levitation or walking though a wall natural or supernatural. It is irrelevant to my belief system. What matters to me is whether it is possible--whether it is evidentiary. Now if you or anyone you know can walk on water, then I will acknowledge that walk as taking place in the real world! Not a problem! So listen carefully SO THAT YOU DON'T KEEP F--KING UP YOUR reasoning so atrociously in the future! I am completely prepared to accept any event in the universe as natural and real provided there is evidence for it. If there is no evidence for it, then there is no value difference between your assertion that an invisible being made the universe 6000 years ago and then used special powers to fool all rational thinkers into thinking the universe was 13 or 14 BILLION years old--and some other (equally baseless) assertion that the moon is made of green cheese, daffodils, and yellow peppers. So let me be sure you understand: I don't care whether you call something "supernatural" or "natural". That is entirely irrelevant! If there is compelling evidence, for it then I accept it as true and part of reality. So if you have compelling evidence that the earth is 6000 years old or that "Jonah" survived comfortably in the belly of a great fish, then I will accept that. But if you are just making stupid, absurd, and contradictory declarations based on primitive tribal boastings, then the most I can say is that I find you somewhat amusing--if annoying. And again, your division of the world into "natural" and whatever else is a straw man--and a complete irrelevancy. I prefer to consider all reality as "natural". But I do not impose any limits on what reality is other than that I always examine the evidence...and absence of evidence does mot impress me in any way!!