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To: Greg or e who wrote (58169)	9/19/2014 4:14:41 AM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

A teleology could very well fit into future Neo-Natural Selection models, scientists are not closed to this but study the material mechanisms because it is expedient & produces results. That expediency itself reflects the Darwinistic model. We improve incrementially , we learn, we become more aware by studying the details in the chain , creating & adding to the models that in turn complete the picture.

To: Greg or e who wrote (58169)	9/19/2014 4:22:55 AM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 69300

There is also natural selection demonstrated clearly in science itself; theories are being generated, tested, modified & adapted all the time, built upon earlier informational structures and some go extinct too. Science is self perpetuating, self correcting and always self perfecting. It has created a culture that lives outside of stagant dogma but into a world of feed back loops, just like an extension of our own senses of almost instantaneous universal peer perview. That the unexamined life is not worth living, what more could any religion or any god say? Inquiring minds of little children at the science museum would love to know?

To: Greg or e who wrote (58169)	9/19/2014 4:27:06 AM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 69300

There are many eureka moments in science & every new successive generation gets to participate in and then stand on the shoulders of giants for their legacies. That is if they wish to participate & get off their lazy asses and stop the cut n paste nonsense and open real books instead of the easy preachy routes of rote dogma. Doesn't take a genius to understand the golden rule or the golden mean...or the fable of the tortoise & the hare.

To: Greg or e who wrote (58169)	9/19/2014 4:28:44 AM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 69300

A Bat drinks water. A Bat eats food. A Bat breathes air.So do you & I.... tell Prof Nagel i think any scientist alive on that basis knows what its like to be a Bat. (some humans think eating insects are a delicacy to) Nagel is an atheist and not a proponent of intelligent design (ID). He writes in Mind and Cosmos that he lacks the sensus divinitatis that would allow him see the world in terms of divine purpose. He disagrees with both ID defenders and their opponents, who argue that the only naturalistic alternative to ID is the current reductionist neo-Darwinian model. [11] He has argued that ID should not be rejected as non-scientific. He wrote in 2008 that "ID is very different from creation science," and that the debate about ID "is clearly a scientific disagreement, not a disagreement between science and something else." He is wrong, Neo-Evolutionists could very well model in a telogical view into all this someday, he's quibbling in the present, science is open to everything as it unfolds. That theory is nothing new & dates back to Plato & Aristotle.

To: Greg or e who wrote (58169)	9/26/2014 4:43:50 PM
From: TigerPaw	1 Recommendation Recommended By 2MAR$ Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

There is more than just conscience and not. A carrot has a limited conscience, it distinguishes up where light is found from down where water is found. Some sources indicate it can communicate with other carrots, some simple message similar to "Help I'm being munched on by a caterpillar". A bat has more conscience. In particular it is conscience of other bats and how they might behave, and predators and how they may behave, and prey and how they might behave. The difference in humans is the degree of self-conscience, that is to say the mechanism which other lifeforms use to anticipate the behavior of other lifeforms around them has formed a feedback loop in humans (and perhaps a few other animals) and can not only recognize behaviors in perceived external lifeforms, but also the lifeform which is itself.