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To: stsimon who wrote (261056)	9/24/2014 12:56:58 PM
From: bentway	Respond to of 540795

We've been in endless wars throughout our history, before and after the draft. The list is mind boggling: en.wikipedia.org 1 Extraterritorial and major domestic deployments 1.1 1775–1799 1.2 1800–1809 1.3 1810–1819 1.4 1820–1829 1.5 1830–1839 1.6 1840–1849 1.7 1850–1859 1.8 1860–1869 1.9 1870–1879 1.10 1880–1889 1.11 1890–1899 1.12 1900–1909 1.13 1910–1919 1.14 1920–1929 1.15 1930–1939 1.16 1940–1944 1.17 1945–1949 1.18 1950–1959 1.19 1960–1969 1.20 1970–1979 1.21 1980–1989 1.22 1990–1999 1.23 2000–2009 1.24 2010–present 2 Battles with the Native Americans 3 Relocation 4 Armed insurrections and slave revolts 5 Range wars 6 Bloody local feuds 7 Bloodless boundary disputes 8 Terrorist, paramilitary groups and guerrilla warfare 8.1 18th and 19th century 8.2 20th and 21st century 9 Labor–management disputes 10 State and national secession attempts 11 Riots and public disorder 12 Miscellaneous 12.1 Latter-day Saints 12.2 Republic of Texas 13 See also 14 Notes 15 References 16 Further reading 17 External links We are a nation of warmongers. The rest of the world knows this, somehow we don't.

To: stsimon who wrote (261056)

9/24/2014 12:58:03 PM

From: koan

Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 540795

ISIS is a legacy problem resulting from our 50 year addiction to mid-east oil and our need to constantly intervene to protect the oil. We don't need that oil. we have propped up kings and dictators and continue to do so. It should not be a surprise that many in the Arab world hate us.>>

That is certainly part of the problem, but I would argue not the thesis of the problem. The thesis of the problem is that the entire middle east without exception are 7th century cultures. 7th century cultures have no idea or experience with democracies and do not understand it.

7th century Islam has always been contained by either an autocratic leader like Sadam, or an Islamic leader.

So what the west has done over the last 100 years and what the ME folks themselves have done with things like the Arab spring is stir the "bees nest".

Our military and leaders fail to understand the ME has to evolve into the 21st century and find democracy on their own. We can not do it for them as they must first understand it.

Personally, I think the process will be an awakening provided by the worldwide web. So it will be an educational process. We could help with that, but bombing people and groups is a fools errand, IMO.