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To: 2MAR$ who wrote (60270)10/15/2014 6:03:01 PM
From: Solon  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 69300
 
"They even had to have the Persians mint their coins for them, could still barely even write in 400BC, which is in fact where any sane 'biblical archaeology' might start to begin, before this the rest is pure fiction & made up fantasy"

That is a damn lie. Take it back. Solomon was the most important man in the world. He employed workers from the whole earth and had 1000 wives from many Kingdoms. He was the most powerful, the wisest, and the wealthiest. That is why there are thousands of records attesting to his life. And enough archeological evidence to fill every museum on the planet. If these atheist archeologists would only DIG, for Christ's sake.

DIG DIG DIG, YOU NIMS! The evidence is there. I just know it...

OK...back to reality! According to the bibe, Solomon's temple was too small to hold all the materials it was made of even if it was a solid block!!! HO! HO! HO!

"Why were 153,300 people required to build such a small structure?"

1 Kings 6:2 The temple that King Solomon built for the LORD was sixty cubits long, twenty wide and thirty high. 1 Kings 5:15-16: Solomon had seventy thousand carriers and eighty thousand stone cutters in the hills, as well as thirty-three hundred foremen who supervised the project and directed the workmen.

Why were 153,300 people required to build such a small structure?

thethinkingatheist.com

1 Kings 6:38 In the eleventh year in the month of Bul, the eighth month, the temple was finished in all its details according to its specifications. He had spent seven years building it.

Why did it take 7 years to construct?

1 Chronicles 22:14 I have taken great pains to provide for the temple of the LORD a hundred thousand talents of gold, a million talents of silver, quantities of bronze and iron too great to be weighed, and wood and stone. And you may add to them.

Over 7 million pounds of gold and 75 million pounds of silver were required to construct this small structure.

density of gold = 1204.899 lb/ft3

gold weight = 7 million lbs

gold volume = 5810 ft3 (cube = 17 ft/side)

density of silver = 655.515 lb/ft3

silver weight = 75 million

silver volume = 114414 ft3 (cube = 48 ft/side)

Total volume = 120224 (cube = 49.35 ft3)

Size of Cubit = 1.7225 ft

Size of Temple = 60 x 20 x 30 (cubits)= 36000 cubits = 62010 ft3 (If the building were a perfect cube side length would be 39.58 ft)
Look carefully at the temple volume and the total volume of JUST the silver and gold. The total volume of the riches of gold could not fit in the temple, even if the temple itself was just a solid block of gold and silver. The passage also mentions quantities of bronze and iron too great to mention, which meant they were at least the same 75 million pounds as the silver. They each weigh about 80% as much as silver, so even taking the most conservative estimate (And leaving out the stone and wood altogether) this building was at least three times too small to be even a solid structure of gold, silver, iron and bronze, and almost certainly at least four times.

For reference, let's go with the combined volume of all those four components at the 4x volume. That means that a solid cube of the materials that went into the building would be about 63 feet long on all sides, assuming the quantities of iron and bronze were only there in slightly larger quantities than the silver, and without counting stone and wood.

Biblical inerrancy is mathematically out the window. 'Interpretations' aren't allowed here, because, I'm sorry, numbers don't get interpreted. The only way out is to admit that the Bible has some mistakes in it. Or point out to me how these two temples (Which are reference in different books) aren't the same. That's not unreasonable, I never bothered to check the bible (Because reading the bible is not nearly as fun as math). Or lastly, point out that this page does not properly convert the ancient units. But if they are the temples are the same, and the pages math and my math are correct, this is a contradiction in the Bible that no amount of apologist clap-trap can even attempt to reconcile. There is simply no way to make the numbers match up.

EDIT: On impurities. The only other excuse I can think of is a question of impurities. You can call something that isn't 100% gold, gold. Fair enough. But remember, to reduce the volume, the impurities have to be of a heavier element than the base material. Let's take Osmium, the heaviest naturally occuring element. It has a density of 22.5 g/cm, which is about 3 times that of bronze or iron, about twice as heavy as silver, and 10% heavier than gold. Now, let's make one of those elements 50% osmium (Any more osmium, and it wouldn't be silver with Os impurities, it would be Os with Ag impurities). Silver is now 50% composed of an element twice it's density. This will only reduce the volume by 25%. Note that the silver alone was almost twice the volume of the temple. Even ignoring the gold, bronze, and iron, and making the silver as impure as it can be while still being silver, the temple is too small to fit all the silver, even if the temple were nothing but a solid cube of silver.

Hell, even if the temple were made of Osmium, it would still be too small, as that would only attain a 50% reduction in size. The 'silver' could just barely fit as a solid cube inside the temple, but there probably wouldn't be room for the gold, and certainly not for the iron, bronze, stone and wood.




To: 2MAR$ who wrote (60270)10/16/2014 8:49:27 AM
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It's the king of Persia. On a Persian coin. Sheesh.