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To: Brumar89 who wrote (61290)10/25/2014 10:43:46 PM
From: Solon  Respond to of 69300
 
"I don't fear any of them. As a Christian I have nothing to fear."

Rather a wobbly whistle you have there, Sport!

Actually, you are deathly afraid of Science--and you hate the reasoning mind! Because Science and Reason have made it 100% certain that all bibles and religions--all the thousands of gods invented by man--are indeed inventions and mere phantasms of the mind. I don't say Science has disproved the existence of higher powers: That is neither here nor there. But as to the Divinity or the trustworthiness of your tribal tales...there can be no doubt that these tales have neither.

So yes, you are on this thread to attack Science and to preach that Genesis should be taught in the classroom. Your "intelligent design" nonsense is just your feckless attempt to smuggle in your biblical superstitions under the aegis of pseudo-science. Doesn't help.

Your beliefs have absolutely no credibility and no possibility of being correct: None, Zero, Zilch. Any chapter of the bible is riddled with contradictions, impossibilities, absurdities, and tribal immorality. You are not Special. You are not Chosen. You are not Elite. And you are NOT going to a magic place in the sky.

Just thought you ought to know. Because living a life of delusion-as you are so obstinately doing-- is simply a sad way to travel...

ANY CHAPTER AT RANDOM!!

Numbers 31 (31:1-40)
The Midianite massacre: Have you saved all the women alive?
Under God's direction, Moses' army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: "Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." So they went back and did as Moses (and presumably God) instructed, killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way they got 32,000 virgins -- Wow! (Even God gets some of the booty -- including the virgins.)
God's 26th Killing (31:1) "The LORD spake unto Moses, saying," (31:2) "Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites." (31:7) "As the Lord commanded Moses ... they slew all the males."
Did the Israelites kill every male in Midian? (31:8) "And they slew the ... five kings of Midian ... Balaam also ... they slew with the sword." (31:9) "The children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones."

(31:10) "And they burnt all their cities."

31:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
31:2 Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.
31:3 And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian.
31:4 Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war.
31:5 So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.
31:6 And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand.
31:7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
31:8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
31:9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
31:10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
31:11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.
31:12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.
31:13 And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
31:14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle. (31:14) "Moses was wroth with the officers" (31:15) "And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?"
Was Moses meek?
What the Bible says rape and abortion (31:17) "Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him."

(31:18) "But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
What the Bible says about Pedophilia

31:15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
31:16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
31:19 And do ye abide without the camp seven days: whosoever hath killed any person, and whosoever hath touched any slain, purify both yourselves and your captives on the third day, and on the seventh day.
31:20 And purify all your raiment, and all that is made of skins, and all work of goats' hair, and all things made of wood.
31:21 And Eleazar the priest said unto the men of war which went to the battle, This is the ordinance of the law which the LORD commanded Moses;
31:22 Only the gold, and the silver, the brass, the iron, the tin, and the lead,
31:23 Every thing that may abide the fire, ye shall make it go through the fire, and it shall be clean: nevertheless it shall be purified with the water of separation: and all that abideth not the fire ye shall make go through the water.
31:24 And ye shall wash your clothes on the seventh day, and ye shall be clean, and afterward ye shall come into the camp.
31:25 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
31:26 Take the sum of the prey that was taken, both of man and of beast, thou, and Eleazar the priest, and the chief fathers of the congregation: (31:26) "Take ... the prey that was taken, both of man and of beast,"

31:27 And divide the prey into two parts; between them that took the war upon them, who went out to battle, and between all the congregation: (31:27) "And divide the prey into two parts."
31:28 And levy a tribute unto the Lord of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep: (31:28) "And levy a tribute unto the Lord ... both of the persons, and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep."
31:29 Take it of their half, and give it unto Eleazar the priest, for an heave offering of the LORD. (31:29) "Take it of their half, and give it unto Eleazar the priest, for an heave offering of the LORD."
31:30 And of the children of Israel's half, thou shalt take one portion of fifty, of the persons, of the beeves, of the asses, and of the flocks, of all manner of beasts, and give them unto the Levites, which keep the charge of the tabernacle of the LORD.
31:31 And Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the LORD commanded Moses.
31:32 And the booty, being the rest of the prey which the men of war had caught, was six hundred thousand and seventy thousand and five thousand sheep, (31:32) "And the booty,"
31:33 And threescore and twelve thousand beeves,
31:34 And threescore and one thousand asses,
31:35 And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him. (31:35) "Thirty and two thousand ... women that had not known man by lying with him."
31:36 And the half, which was the portion of them that went out to war, was in number three hundred thousand and seven and thirty thousand and five hundred sheep:
31:37 And the LORD's tribute of the sheep was six hundred and threescore and fifteen.
31:38 And the beeves were thirty and six thousand; of which the LORD's tribute was threescore and twelve.
31:39 And the asses were thirty thousand and five hundred; of which the LORD's tribute was threescore and one.
31:40 And the persons were sixteen thousand; of which the LORD's tribute was thirty and two persons. (31:40) "And the persons were sixteen thousand; of which the LORD's tribute was thirty and two persons."
31:41 And Moses gave the tribute, which was the LORD's heave offering, unto Eleazar the priest, as the LORD commanded Moses.
31:42 And of the children of Israel's half, which Moses divided from the men that warred,
31:43 (Now the half that pertained unto the congregation was three hundred thousand and thirty thousand and seven thousand and five hundred sheep,
31:44 And thirty and six thousand beeves,
31:45 And thirty thousand asses and five hundred,
31:46 And sixteen thousand persons;)
31:47 Even of the children of Israel's half, Moses took one portion of fifty, both of man and of beast, and gave them unto the Levites, which kept the charge of the tabernacle of the LORD; as the LORD commanded Moses.
31:48 And the officers which were over thousands of the host, the captains of thousands, and captains of hundreds, came near unto Moses:
31:49 And they said unto Moses, Thy servants have taken the sum of the men of war which are under our charge, and there lacketh not one man of us.
31:50 We have therefore brought an oblation for the LORD, what every man hath gotten, of jewels of gold, chains, and bracelets, rings, earrings, and tablets, to make an atonement for our souls before the LORD.
31:51 And Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold of them, even all wrought jewels.
31:52 And all the gold of the offering that they offered up to the LORD, of the captains of thousands, and of the captains of hundreds, was sixteen thousand seven hundred and fifty shekels.
31:53 (For the men of war had taken spoil, every man for himself.)
31:54 And Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold of the captains of thousands and of hundreds, and brought it into the tabernacle of the congregation, for a memorial for the children of Israel before the LORD.



To: Brumar89 who wrote (61290)10/26/2014 1:53:47 PM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 69300
 
So you choose the Son of God philosopher/idealist, over the Son of God & Prince of Peace Augustus Ceasar? Am always very surprised to find out how little attention is given to this amazingly adept Roman ruler, his achievements establishing the Pax Romana which last some 200yrs is sometimes rightly called 'Pax Augusta' after hiim

Of course we all know that true peace comes from within & all the other nice Hellenist philosophical wisdoms which the proto-Jewish sect adopts & emulates. It never dawns on you that the greatest bulk of early Christians are all 99% Hellenized Jews? When one skips past all the lofty revelations references of sword in mouth, winged horse riding, heavenly Lord of Lords imagery that also was Greek inspired, one finds the Jewsih/Chrstians emerge mainly because of that Hellenist Stoic & Neo-Platonist philosophy from which they imitated & borrowed heavily

The folk fables are great for the oppressed common man,slave populations perspective. There had been an evolutionary leaning towards some emergent religious construction that would be inclusive of the lower & middle classes, a humanist religion where all could aspire to their heavenly reward, already going on in Egypt for some centuries.

Aside from the obvious attempts to later forge & fit prophecy into a supporting cast role,which Porphyry totally blows the doors off, no matter, the most intelligent & well thought out philosophical humanist essence was the perfection of man always Hellene inspired, you indeed still are a pagan.



To: Brumar89 who wrote (61290)10/26/2014 2:03:56 PM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 
Pax Romana , Pax Augusta..... the Prince of Peace = Emperor Augustus
en.wikipedia.org

Giving the credit where credit is definitely due, Augustus establishing a fair & just peace in all the empire plus diplomatic peace with Parthians etc. From this vantage it is within this stable framework many many cults could grow & flourish in reality. Not sure about all the later Christian propaganda that is heaped & piled on down the road, they seemed to have a great need for creating martyrs, just the same psychological instrument we see initiated by the prophet in Islam. ( Something very Darwinistic about this to me)

Seems we have a rival Messiah here for sure in the able ruler & Son of God Augustus:, read this very
carefully, this was one very inspired ruler, one could almost call him divine & heaven sent too:

Augustus faced a problem making peace an acceptable mode of life for the Romans, who had been at war with one power or another continuously for 200 years. [9] Romans regarded peace not as an absence of war, but the rare situation that existed when all opponents had been beaten down and lost the ability to resist. [6] Augustus' challenge was to persuade Romans that the prosperity they could achieve in the absence of warfare was better for the Empire than the potential wealth and honor acquired when fighting a risky war. Augustus succeeded by means of skillful propaganda. Subsequent emperors followed his lead, sometimes producing lavish ceremonies to close the Gates of Janus, issuing coins with Pax on the reverse, and patronizing literature extolling the benefits of the Pax Romana. [9]