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To: steve goldman who wrote (2061)12/16/1997 1:20:00 PM
From: Nazbuster  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 4969
 
Steve, Christopher, and others...

Thanks very much for keeping this discussion at a high level so we can all really learn.

I'm still struggling with forming a basic understanding of what you see/think as you watch the trades. I see so much volatility in good stocks (like CPU lately), that I wonder how you don't get caught going the wrong way. For example, if the last xxx trades have been slowly inching upwards in price and volume, what guarantees that the price won't suddenly do a massive drop just after you buy like it does for all the rest of us? <G>



To: steve goldman who wrote (2061)12/16/1997 3:43:00 PM
From: The Perfect Hedge  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 4969
 
Steve or Chris-
If I have an option execution order that matches the bid offered for about 2 minutes but doesn't get filled,is that not debatable?Shouldn't I get filled?I asked the manager in the options dept and he said that they might have just been "reflecting my offer".Thus,I'm not entitled to a fill.Your thoughts?TIA.GD



To: steve goldman who wrote (2061)12/17/1997 6:47:00 PM
From: David Smith  Respond to of 4969
 
Steve, my example was slightly oversimplified. Regarding the orders we get from customers, 50% are limit orders (those having a floor if the order is to sell, and those having a ceiling if the order is to buy), and 50% are orders to "work" (i.e., buy up to but not exceeding a certain number of shares at the best possible price you can get). If you were a client like a mutual fund with a large, very complex order to buy or sell and you needed it done FAST, would you rather pay a straight commission to the MM, or would you rather have the MM working for himself AND you? When I work an order, if I don't do it well and for some reason get sloppy (i.e., run the price up too much on a buy order or too far down on a sell order), I will often give the customer a fill at a flat price to me or at a slight loss...this is in the interests of maintaining the client relationship. If I work an order to buy a block of stock at the best price possible and buy most of it at 25, and by the time I have bought it all the stock has run to 26 bid 26 1/8 offered, I will fill the client at 25 1/8...the same price he would expect to pay if the customer was buying a listed stock and his floorman waded into the specialist crowd at the NYSE...and that crowd on the listed floor doesn't offer my liquidity, capital resources and willingness to assume at least some risk on behalf of the client.

Importantly, customers trust my skill in working orders...if I feel a stock is too high at a certain moment during the day and it would not be advisable to buy it even to fill a customer order, then I don't buy it...if the order is to "work", then the client always understands I am acting with discretion on his behalf.