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To: Solon who wrote (61417)10/28/2014 6:48:50 AM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 
MARTIN LUTHER AND THE JEWS ..... (the man was insane, Hitler was just a follower)
tentmaker.org

Like all his enemies, the Jews in Luther's eyes were devils: ...(just a small sampling)

“Whenever you encounter a real Jew, you may in good faith make the
sign of the cross and openly and fearlessly pronounce the words `This is a
veritable devil'”. “Therefore,” the Reformer told his followers, “do not
doubt and never forget, beloved Christians, that apart from Satan himself,
you possess no more deadly poisonous, and dreadful enemy than a real Jew.
I know that. They poison wells, kidnap and maltreat children.”

“Even with no further evidence than the Old Testament, I would maintain,
and no person on earth could alter my opinion, that the Jews as they are
today are veritably a mixture of all the depraved and malevolent knaves
of the whole world over, who have been dispersed in all countries, similarly
to the Tartars and gypsies and such folk, to afflict the different nations
with their usury, to spy upon others and to betray, to poison wells, to
deceive and kidnap children, in short to practice all kinds of dishonesty
and injury.”

There was, according to Luther, no good or human quality
about the Jews. “What is good in us Christians, they ignore; what is
wrong in us Christians the Jews take advantage of.” “The breath of the
Jews reeks.” “Their rabbis teach them that theft and robbery is no sin”
(W53, 489).

“The Jews professing to be surgeons or doctors deprive
the Christians who make use of their medicaments of health and prosperity
for such Jewish doctors believe they find especial favour with their God
if they torment and furtively kill Christians. And we, fools that we are,
even turn for succour to our enemies and their evil ways in the times when
our lives are in danger, which is indeed sorely trying God's patience.”

I do not believe that even the notorious “Der Sturmer” of Dr.
Streicher surpassed the sayings of Brother Martin. “It is impossible to
teach or re-educate the Jews”. “A more bloodthirsty and vindictive race
has never seen the light of day.” So the Reformer goes on and on.

As so often before, Luther's worst utterances are not fit for quotation
or reproduction. “Many of the obscenities occurring in his sermons
and writings on the Jews are suggested by proverbs which themselves reek
too much of the stable, but which he sometimes still further embellishes”
(Grisar). “In his books (on Jews) Luther's peculiar talent for indelicate
language reached its climax. He wrote with unchecked ferocity, and indulged
freely in his quaint practice of befouling the objects of his hate with
imaginary animal excreta” (Lipsky).

“Were God to promise me no other
Messiah than him for whom the Jews hope, I would much rather be a pig than
a man,” is one of his mildest sayings. “Were a rabbi to ease himself into
a vessel under your nose, both thick and thin, and say `Here you have a
delicious conserve', you would have to say you had never tasted a better
dish in your life. Risk your neck and say differently! For if a man has
the power to say like the rabbis that right is left and left is right,
regardless of God and all His creatures, he can just as well say that his
anus is his mouth, that his belly is a pudding-dish, and that a
pudding-dish is his belly"”(E32, 285).

“Whenever you see or think
of a Jew, say to yourself `Look, that mouth that I see before me has every
Saturday cursed, execrated, and spat upon my dear Lord Jesus Christ Who
redeemed me with His precious blood, and has also invoked maledictions on
my wife and child and all Christians that they might be murdered and
perish miserably. He himself would gladly do it if he could, if only in
order to get hold of our goods; maybe he has already today many times spat
on the ground, as it is their custom to do when the name of Jesus is
mentioned, so that his venomous spittle still hangs about his mouth and
beard and leaves scarcely room to spit again. Were I to eat, drink, or
speak with such a devilish mouth, I might as well eat and drink out of a
can or vessel brimful with devils, and thus become partaker with the
devils who dwell in the Jews and spit at the Precious Blood of Christ.
From which God may preserve us” (E32, 141).

So the Reformer continues
throughout his writings. “The Jews are malignant snakes and imps”.
“Whoever would like to cherish such adders and puny devils—who are the
worst enemies of Christ and us all—to befriend them and to do them honour
simply in order to be cheated, plundered, robbed, disgraced, and forced to
howl and curse and suffer every kind of evil, to him I would commend the
Jews. And if this be not enough, let him tell the Jews to use his mouth as
a privy, or else crawl into the Jew's hind parts, and there worship the
holy thing, so as afterwards to be able to boast of having been merciful,
and of having helped the Devil and his progeny to blaspheme our dear
Lord.”

These few samples taken at random must be sufficient to give you
a true idea of what the Reformer saw in the Jews. I could continue for
many pages to cite much worse passages. I think, however, that I have
already spent too much space on the subject, but I thought it necessary to
let the Reformer speak again for himself, and to prove that I have not
chosen some isolated cases, but that, as far as the Jews are concerned, he
stuck to his views for the greater part of his life. To comment on such
exclamations and sayings is really not necessary. It seems to me a much
more impressive method if I leave the reader to draw his own conclusions.

Of course, Luther proposed in detail how his followers should treat the
“damned Jews.” “Never ought a Christian to eat or drink with a Jew”.
“On being asked whether it would be right to box the ears of a Jew, Luther
replied `Certainly. I for one would smack him on the jaw. Were I able, I
would knock him down and stab him in my anger. It is lawful, according to
both the human and the divine law, to kill a robber; then it is even more
permissible to slay a blasphemer.'” Not a very Christian attitude; but
worse is still to come. If I had to baptise a Jew, I would take him to the
bridge of the Elbe, hang a stone round his neck and push him over with the
words `I baptise thee in the name of Abraham'” (Detailed references given
in Grisar, “Luther”, vol. v, p. 413)

“We ought to take revenge on the
Jews and kill them” is his charitable advice. At other times he is in
favour of “forcing them to work and treating them with every severity as
Moses did in the desert when he slew 3,000 of them."

Occasionally,
he feels that he oversteps the limit, and then he reaches the climax of
his hypocrisy. “Oh my Lord,” he whines, “my beloved Creator and Father. Do
Thou graciously take into account my unwillingness to have to speak so
shamefully of Thine accursed enemies. Thou knowest I do so out of the
ardour of my faith and to the glory of Thy Divine Majesty.”

After
such solemn prayers, he returns to his foul and abusive language. “It is
our own fault that we have not avenged the sacred blood of our Saviour and
the innocent blood of countless Christians and children, spoiled since the
demolition of Jerusalem until now; it is our own fault that we have not
annihilated the Jews but placidly let them stay where they are in spite of
all their murders, their curses, blasphemies, lies, violations, and that
we even protect their schools, their dwellings, their persons and
property.” Nowhere in the history of civilised mankind have the masses
been so incited to persecution and murder as by this “Christian Reformer.”

Indeed, four centuries before the world ever heard of the inhuman
“Nuremberg Laws” Brother Martin compiled an anti-Jewish cod of his own.
Luther's antisemitic laws consist of seven paragraphs only. Here they are:

Set fire to their synagogues and schools; and what will not
burn, heap earth over it so that no man may see a stone or relic of them
forever.

Pull down and destroy their houses since they perpetrate the
same nefarious things in them as in their schools. Pack them all under one
roof or stable, like the gypsies, that they may know that they are not
lords and masters in our land as they boast.

Deprive them of all
their prayer-books.

Forbid their rabbis henceforth to teach.

Deprive them of the right to move about the country.

Forbid them
the business of usury, and take from them all their belongings.

Hand the strong young Jews of both sexes flail, axe, mattock, spade,
distaff, and spindle; and make them work for their bread in the sweat of
their brow, like all the children of Adam. Confiscate their property and
drive them out of the country. (W53, 525 abridged).




To: Solon who wrote (61417)10/28/2014 7:16:45 AM
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Jacques Maritain French Catholic philosopher......now this fellow philosopher in natural theology interests me greatly, whom that site quotes often in its scathing review of that madman Martin Luther.

One time Protestant who leaves to become agnostic & finally reconverts back to Catholicism, very influential with the Vatican & he was a mentor to Pope Paul VI there's real substance here Solon, he also was drawn to Spinoza & Thomas natural theology .
en.wikipedia.org

Jacques Maritain (18 November 1882 – 28 April 1973) was a French Catholic philosopher. Raised as a Protestant, he became an agnostic before converting to Catholicism in 1906. An author of more than 60 books, he helped to revive St. Thomas Aquinas for modern times and is a prominent drafter of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Pope Paul VI presented his "Message to Men of Thought and of Science" at the close of Vatican II to Maritain, his long-time friend and mentor.


In 1917, a committee of French bishops commissioned Jacques to write a series of textbooks to be used in Catholic colleges and seminaries. He wrote and completed only one of these projects, titled Elements de Philosophie (Introduction of Philosophy) in 1920. It has been a standard text ever since in many Catholic seminaries. He wrote in his introduction:
"If the philosophy of Aristotle, as revived and enriched by St. Thomas and his school, may rightly be called the Christian philosophy, & natural theology both because the church is never weary of putting it forward as the only true philosophy and because it harmonizes perfectly with the truths of faith, nevertheless it is proposed here for the reader's acceptance not because it is Christian, but because it is demonstrably true. This agreement between a philosophic system founded by a pagan and the dogmas of revelation is no doubt an external sign, an extra-philosophic guarantee of its truth; but from its own rational evidence, that it derives its authority as a philosophy".

During World War II, Jacques Maritain protested the policies of the Vichy government while teaching at the Pontifical Institute for Medieval Studies in Canada. "Moving to New York, Maritain became deeply involved in rescue activities, seeking to bring persecuted and threatened academics, many of them Jews, to America. He was instrumental in founding the École Libre des Hautes Études, a kind of university in exile that was, at the same time, the center of Gaullist resistance in the United States". (1) After the war, he tried unsuccessfully to have the Pope[ clarification needed] speak on the issue of anti-semitism and the evils of the Holocaust. [4]

Many of his American papers are held by the University of Notre Dame, which established The Jacques Maritain Center in 1957. The Cercle d'Etudes Jacques & Raïssa Maritain is an association founded by the philosopher himself in 1962 in Kolbsheim (near Strasbourg, France), where the couple is also buried. The purpose of these centers is to encourage study and research of Maritain’s thought and expand upon them. It is also absorbed in translating and editing his writings

Jacques Maritain........................BornDied...Nationality....Religion....EraRegionMain interests
(1882-11-18)18 November 1882
Paris, France
28 April 1973(1973-04-28) (aged 90)
Toulouse, France
French
Roman Catholic
20th-century philosophy
Western philosophy
Philosophy of religion, political theory, philosophy of science, metaphysics



To: Solon who wrote (61417)10/28/2014 7:26:49 AM
From: 2MAR$  Respond to of 69300
 
Here this one very great Roman Catholic philospher saying exactly what i have, the major elements of Christianity are already found present in Aristotle & Plato. Thomas you remember leans heavily on natural theology which doesn't require the aid of supernatural deus ex machina for its faith.

Quite a little introduction here, if brummy even had a clue what they teach in real seminaries but he's a
'home grown' US grade 'C' armadillo Christian, those who get all their knowledge by pure
self righteousness, ignorance & denial.

( natural theology is thus a branch of philosophy, whose object is the nature of the gods, or of one supreme God. In monotheistic religions, this principally involves arguments about the attributes or non-attributes of God, and especially the existence of God—arguments which do not involve recourse to supernatural revelation.)
"If the philosophy of Aristotle, as revived and enriched by St. Thomas and his school, may rightly be called the Christian philosophy, & natural theology both because the church is never weary of putting it forward as the only true philosophy and because it harmonizes perfectly with the truths of faith, nevertheless it is proposed here for the reader's acceptance not because it is Christian, but because it is demonstrably true. This agreement between a philosophic system founded by a pagan and the dogmas of revelation is no doubt an external sign, an extra-philosophic guarantee of its truth; but from its own rational evidence, that it derives its authority as a philosophy".



To: Solon who wrote (61417)10/28/2014 8:03:47 AM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 
Marcus Terentius Varro (/ 116 BC – 27 BC) an ancient Roman general, scholar and prolific writer
en.wikipedia.org

and his teacher

Antiochus of Ascalon (125 – c. 68 BC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiochus_of_Ascalon

Two more for the Pagan Philosopher files, these were just profoundly prolific thinkers, brumar is clueless,
and you can keep clicking back to teachers of the teacher back & farther back .