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To: Greg or e who wrote (61547)	10/30/2014 3:19:09 AM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

You're ranting and raving like a demented imbecilic. Take a breath, soldier... I refer you to Message 29781655 And I will just add that everything in the universe is potential human life. You may have heard that all life was once the bodies of stars. So in that respect one can assert (if one so chooses) that everything is sacred. So talking about potential this and potential that just gets potentially circular. All life competes for existence. So as humans we are charged with the task of how best to promote, firstly, survival and secondly, happiness. We have found over thousands of years of trial and error combined with directed thought that a recognition of certain fundamental rights leads to a most manageable (and what we call fair) administration of community. We cannot grant the same rights to the chicken as we do to ourselves because we eat the chicken. Simple. And we do not grant rights to eggs (fertilised or not). It doesn't matter whether WE call it a morula and then a blastocyst and then an embryo and fetus. These are just names. What matters is that we do not call it a human person. We have decided that human persons have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We have decided that it is illogical to consider a blastocyst as having such rights. By the way--most blastocysts do not last the 10 days required to attach to the endometrium. These "people" as you call them die by the millions every day with nobody ever the wiser. The difference (after the 10 days when the blastocyst has attached) is that the woman will become aware of her pregnancy and, if it is unwanted--may decide to terminate her pregnancy--or not. And none of what she does is any of your business--nor of mine. Finally, I am a strong advocate of the morning after pill in every medicine cabinet where any possibility of an unwanted pregnancy exists. This will prevent the (already unlikely) possibility that the blastocyst will attach and lead to difficulties down the road.

To: Greg or e who wrote (61547)	10/30/2014 3:49:33 AM
From: Solon	1 Recommendation Recommended By 2MAR$ Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 69300

" What do you suppose these "eggs" look like when they are deliberately killed at 8 to 9 months gestation." Calm down. Hysteria is not an argument. Why do YOU think a mother would undergo an abortion at 7 months instead of six months instead of 5 months instead of 4 weeks?? And now for some facts: Late-term Abortion in Canada Many anti-choice and misinformed individuals would have Canadians believe that a woman in Canada can access abortion services at any point during the nine months of pregnancy. This belief is hugely inaccurate and serves only to appeal to the emotional response of people in trying to prevent the acceptance of abortion as a critical reproductive health service. In Canada, a woman cannot have an elective abortion past 24 weeks gestation. There are simply no doctors and no facilities that will allow for an elective termination at that point. In fact, there are only a few doctors in the entire country who are willing to perform abortions past 20 weeks. As there are different methods of abortion, each woman’s pregnancy is individually assessed by a doctor to help decide which method is safest and best for her. However, since abortion services after 20 weeks are not easily available in Canada, many women who seek an abortion at this point must either travel to another province or to the United States, or must continue to carry the pregnancy to term. Despite what some may believe about the availability of late-term abortion services in Canada, Statistics Canada has reported that less than 1% of abortions take place past 20 weeks gestation.[1] The fact remains that nearly 90% of abortions in Canada take place before 13 weeks gestation. The belief that a woman makes the choice to have an abortion easily and without giving it much thought is especially inaccurate in instances of late-term abortion. Many women who have an abortion after 20 weeks originally wanted to have a child, but chose to have an abortion after discovering that her foetus was severely or fatally impaired, or upon the discovery that her own health or life is endangered. Other women need to access abortion services past 20 weeks because of extremely long wait-times or, especially in the case of young teenagers, because they were either not aware that they were pregnant or were in denial about being pregnant until the symptoms were no longer unavoidable. Whatever the reason a woman seeks to have an abortion past 20 weeks gestation, Canadians must know: abortion services in Canada are not uniformly accessible and late-term abortions are much more rare and difficult to access than abortions that take place within the first trimester of pregnancy.