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To: Brumar89 who wrote (62106)	11/7/2014 11:28:29 AM
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You prove every day you know nothing of history, the later Messianic uprisings of Jewish rebels once again went on rampages creating wholesale slaughter in Cyprus, Alexandria, Libya, Judea & Babylon. Had they been more successful with the later Bar Kochbah messiah running amuck, the early Christians would have been slaughtered by those fanatics en masse too (and were) Start here with the Kitos War en.wikipedia.org If it weren't for various Roman counter attacks & quelling these bloody rampages, most of the Christ lovers in those fundamentalist's way would have been forced to convert or face cruel wholesale deaths. your such a dum dum, it wasn't the pagans you had to worry about.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (62106)	11/7/2014 10:23:57 PM
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You have zero finesse to understand the connection between that messianic "belligerent ultra-nationalism & right wing religious zealotry" that appeared full force in the Bar Kokhba Nasi revolt. Always there were many good Jews who are the real unsung heros, not mad suicidal fanatics that did express a willingness to conduct a more open & moderate path. Their numbers were great & this directly because of that Hellenist philosophical influence, in truth the Hellenizers were the true saviors. Emperor Hadrian Most historians see emperor Hadrian at first willing & sympathetic to the Hebrews & was ready to negotiate building a new temple, there were conditions of course but what happened? Total annhilation came down with 580,000 Jews killed , 950 communities totally destroyed, all uneccessary. And only because of being led by mad, primitive, arrogant zealouts & the dogmatic right wing rabbis' ultra nationalism backing them up. You'll note what the main point here is, whether you worship a supreme deity by the name of Jehova or Jupiter what is the difference? Or submitting to some primitive rite of circumcision or not? Or who blesses the sacrifice as long as people have peace & enough to eat? Nature being cruel enough with her vicisitudes as it is? It was far too late after the Hellene Jews lost to the mad suicidal zealouts and the Christ/Jews who were slaughtered to. (Christianity a direct result of that Hellene philosophy) The Jewish response to the rebuilding of Jerusalem was divided: although some found it intolerable that foreign religious rites should be performed in their city, others argued that pagans who wanted to sacrifice to the supreme God should not be hindered. This moderate point of view carried the day; after all, was it not written that the Temple was to be 'a house of all nations'? The building was, according to the author Epiphanius, supervised by Aquila, who is otherwise known as a rabbi who translated the Bible into Aramaean and Greek.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (62106)	11/7/2014 10:31:06 PM
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From Haaretz : " Bar Kokhba's legacy of lies: To this day we have not succeeded in ridding ourselves of the punishment of false messiahs " http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/bar-kokhba-s-legacy-of-lies-1.429604 And here are the results: About 580,000 Jews were killed, 950 communities were destroyed. We embarked on a 2,000-year exile. If the Great Revolt (which ended in the destruction of the Second Temple in the year 70 ) was an eclipse of the sun, then the "small revolt" in 132 was total insanity. Both symbolize the connection between belligerent ultra-nationalism and religious zealotry; that is the lethal combination that endangers our lives whenever we begin a new life here, and that is the obsessive urge to revolt against the nations, to climb the wall and race to our demise. What did we know about Lag b'Omer? We knew we had to filch planks of wood, prepare spuds and burn the villain of the day. And we knew there was an exemplary hero, named Bar Kokhba. And we didn't know the results of his heroism, they didn't tell us. And here are the results: About 580,000 Jews were killed, 950 communities were destroyed. We embarked on a 2,000-year exile. If the Great Revolt (which ended in the destruction of the Second Temple in the year 70 ) was an eclipse of the sun, then the "small revolt" in 132 was total insanity. There is no need for Diskins and Dagans in order to diagnose the symptoms of messianism in this case, to reveal to us the lawlessness and destructiveness of Bar Kokhba and Rabbi Akiva, without whose umbrella of halakha (religious law ) the revolt would have died out before it ignited and burned everything. Both symbolize the connection between belligerent ultra-nationalism and religious zealotry; that is the lethal combination that endangers our lives whenever we begin a new life here, and that is the obsessive urge to revolt against the nations, to climb the wall and race to our demise. There are many sages who warn of this suicidal tendency. But in every generation patriots rise up against us to destroy us; and in every generation the list of enemies is updated - from Hadrian, may his bones turn to dust, to Ahmadinejad, may his bones rot. External and internal enemies are out to destroy us. These are the Hellenizers in every generation - good Jews on the whole - who are not at ease within the suffocating four walls of halakha and want to open a window to the world and its culture, which also has something to offer. Hellenization is preferable to atrophy. We are the Hellenizers of our generation, and we reject Rabbi Akiva's philosophy of "even if He takes your life," which requires that we be killed rather than violate any commandment. We believe in the philosophy of "and you shall live by them," which was bequeathed to us by Rabban Yohanan ben Zakkai and Rabbi Yishmael ben Elisha. We have nothing to debate with the Orthodox Judaism that has become petrified; we barely have anything to say it. Our complaint is actually with secular Judaism, which also participated in the rewriting of history; the Zionist movement also took part in falsifying it. The bonfire of Lag b'Omer did not burn from ancient times; the consuming fire was lit by the state-in-the-making and its leaders: The Palmach pre-state strike force was established on Lag b'Omer, as was the Gadna military training program for youth, whose symbol, the bow and arrow, is identified with the adventurousness of Bar Kokhba. And the Israel Defense Forces set the day of tribute to reserve soldiers on this unfortunate date. Both the pen and the sword followed in the footsteps of Bar Kokhba: From right-wing thinker and political leader Ze'ev Jabotinsky and the Beitar song "To die or conquer the mountain - Yodfat, Masada, Beitar," to right-wing poet Uri Zvi Greenberg, who wrote "Bar Kokhba's teaching is the truth, even after the fall of Beitar," and up to children's songwriter Levin Kipnis, whose infantile song (based on Shaul Tchernichovsky's poem "Beitara" ) we sang in our childhood and our youth: "He was a hero, he called for liberty, the entire nation loved him." Only in recent years are we being extricated gradually from the myth of the heroism and sacrifice of Bar Kokhba, who presented himself as the Messiah, son of David, and whose messianism was certified by Rabbi Akiva. The general and professor Yehoshafat Harkabi was the first to expose the Jewish passion for destruction in his book "Vision, Not Fantasy." And recently Rabbi Dr. Benjamin Lau published his important work "The Sages," in which he expresses his opinion of "Bar Kokhba's teaching is the truth": "We have to admit that his teaching is arrogance and lies," he wrote. To this day we have not succeeded in ridding ourselves of the punishment of false messiahs. We are comfortable with our hallucinations, with being captivated by them. Sometimes it seems that the movement for national liberation - now as then - includes a self-destruct mechanism. In that way every disaster becomes a holiday, which will become a disaster. Holidays and epochs devoted to catastrophe.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (62106)	11/7/2014 10:42:30 PM
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So very bright Jews today in Israel's major news paper are writing essays directly challenging what i have stated exactly here. That bullshit massaged historical ultra- right wing zealout's view of history & the heros who were in truth just fanatical madmen driven by an ultra-nationalism & backed by the extreme militancy of primitive religious prophecy. And where have we seen ultra right wing nationalism rear its ugly head before in the last century we might ask? Nazi Germany? Russia? China? I find it the height of irony, that same human instinct is what sometimes drives nations to greatness or to utter ruin, in this case & every case it destroyed the Hebrews. So now you know what to do with the imbecile name calling, once again you get fully turned inside out & stood on your pin head.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (62106)	11/7/2014 10:53:39 PM
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Albert Einstein was doing the very best thing of all to help his fellow Jews wake up when he wrote of the many childish superstitions,fables of their primitive 'chosen one' religion here. Unfortunately we have to deal with these Abrahamic fake histories & superstitions once again with its imitator 'Islam' that Mohhamed just stole from, a mimicry/stealing i have also mentioned so many times before. ( another simple thesis proven true) deism.com “The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.” In the “God Letter” Einstein also covered the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament claim that the Hebrews/Jews are chosen by God “above all people that are upon the face of the earth.” ( Deuteronomy 7:6) when he wrote, “For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstition. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong ... have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything “chosen” about them.” Albert Einstein wrote this regarding his visit to the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem and watching religious Jews praying: "Where dull-witted clansmen of our tribe were praying aloud, their faces turned to the wall, their bodies swaying to and fro. A pathetic sight of men with a past but without a future." He also gave a warning regarding the Jewish state with, "Should we be unable to find a way to honest cooperation and honest pacts with the Arabs, then we have learned absolutely nothing during our 2,000 years of suffering and deserve all that will come to us."