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Biotech / Medical : Ligand (LGND) Breakout! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Flagrante Delictu who wrote (12658)12/16/1997 3:58:00 PM
From: Flagrante Delictu  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 32384
 
Bernie McDermott, I was trying to reply to Howard Barnum on my last post #12658 when the system cut off the top of that post. So as to save the drudgery of rewriting the whole thing, I will put forth here what I wanted to say to Howard & which should have appeared at the beginning of post 12658. Howard had complained about a threatening tone & an innuendo of sexual violence. I thought he was kidding. I tried to figure out where he could possibly found anything that could have lead him to such a conclusion. Sure enough, if one goes to the PCYC thread, one can find exchanges between squetch & me with reference to options trading that a person unfamiliar with the terminolgy as practised in the options industry all over the world, might not know were standard practice in that industry. Specifically, options traders all over the world enter & exit combinations of options which have names such as straddles, strangles & boxes. Those who object that options traders use such terrible words are advised to write to the CBOE, the Amex, the Pacific Coast exchange, the Philadelphia OPtions Exchange, The New York Stock Exchange, The Chicago Board ot Trade, The Chicago Merc, the N.Y. Merc. & other exchanges both here & worldwide to request that they immediately cease & desist from such abhorrent practices & to order their memberships & clientele to immediately cease using such offensive words. But so that Howard would understand what a straddle was & what a strangle was & what a box was, even though he might have already known what they were,& maybe he WAS joking, I started by explaining that a straddle was a combination of a put & a call on an underlying instrument such as Ligand Pharmaceutical common stock, which put & call had the same strike price e.g. $12.50 & the same expiration date e. g. the third Friday in Dec., 1997. A strangle on the other hand was an option combination which included a put at a strike price higher than the underlying was trading for e.g. the Dec15 put and also a call with a strike price below where LGND was trading, such as the $12.50 call. To aquire a $12.50 straddle in LGND one might buy the Dec. 12.5 put whose current price is $1.82 & also buy the Dec. $12.50 call at $1.06 for atotal cost pf $ 2.88. You have thereby locked in or strangled $2.50 out of the market at a minimum & stand a chance to make alot more should LGND close above $15 or below $12.50.
If the reader would please go now to my post on the LGND thread numbered 12658, he or she will be able to pick up the balance of this long post. Sorry for your inconvienience. Bernie McDermott



To: Flagrante Delictu who wrote (12658)12/16/1997 5:25:00 PM
From: Flagrante Delictu  Respond to of 32384
 
Bernie McDermott, On my post 12658, the sentence 15 lines above the last line should read "If you wanted to buy a box, you could do so by first buying the strangle in LGND for $2.88 and then selling whast are called the wings. Specifically, having bought the strangle in LGND for $2.88, you could "Box it off" i.e. convert it to a box by selling the Dec.15 call at its last price of 18 cents & the Dec.$12.50 put {last traded at twenty five cents} & you would have received a total of 43 cents. since you had paid $12.88 for the straddle & received 43 cents for the wings, you theoretically have locked in a nickle profit because theoretically the box has to close at its strike price differential, which in this case is $12.50 & your cost was $12.88 minus 43 cents received. Since I apparently have shocked so many by past posts, I will refrain from shocking you with the thought that just because something has to close at its' strike price differential, the real world is crueler than the theoretical one. I will reveal no more because who knows what group make take umbrage., possibly the exchanges themselves. I tell you these things so that you will know there are options traders all over the world, who buy & sell boxes many times a day, who ewnter & exit straddles & strangles many times a day, without getting arrested or censured for these practices. Nor do they face a plethora of incensed piuous p[eple marching on the world's options exchanges demanding they be closed lest young females in their twenties would accidentally be made aware of such vile practices. Bernie McDermott



To: Flagrante Delictu who wrote (12658)12/16/1997 6:33:00 PM
From: Dan O.  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 32384
 
Re: boxes. Also known as condors or double butterflies. Either one will get you in less trouble (w/ the pc police). Good practicle explanation though, thanks.