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To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (63011)	11/19/2014 2:52:36 PM
From: Greg or e	Respond to of 69300

Thanks for the link. I'll work my way through that.

To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (63011)	11/19/2014 9:39:11 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

the Omride dynasty (hated by the Judahites) in Israel the ninth and eighth centuries BCE.....That's an excellent link & again starts out with describing the highlands of Canaan starting out as hub of small chiefdoms dominated by an Egyptian administrative rule as stated before in the late bronze. Here is where you find the influences of that wisdom literature coming into play, why would anyone doubt this is beyond me. Many of the proverbs & pslams recreated in the bible, what scant & loosely assempbled history provided there, are taken almost word for word from them. Egyptian culture was dominant in the Levant for 500yrs, but we're supposed to believe there were no cultural effects or influences, rubbish.

To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (63011)	11/19/2014 9:49:43 PM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 69300

As for the Omride kings, Finklestein right off suggests clearly that their successes are what should be credited as being the true houses of David & Solomon, what a surprise? As i said , what skewed history there is, we would expect no less with far later 4th century Biblical authors fabricating stories to fit their new prophecies of themselves. Always easier to make prophecies & history fit the sweeter smelling molds if written in centuries after the fact, an old trick learned from the Egyptians who were the orginators of such record keeping? Historicity, Omrides en.wikipedia.org Israel Finkelstein's The Bible Unearthed presents a very different picture of the Omrides, making them responsible for the great empire, magnificent palaces, wealth, and peace in Israel and Judah that the Bible credits to the much earlier kings David and Solomon. According to Finkelstein, the reason for this discrepancy is the religious bias of the Biblical authors against the Omrides for their polytheist views and support of elements of the Canaanite religion. [3] Finkelstein maintains that the writers of the Book of Kings may have omitted possible widespread public construction both Omri and his son Ahab commissioned during their reigns. Finkelstein and his student Norma Franklin have identified monumental construction at Samaria, Jezreel, Megiddo and Hazor similar in design and build. Archaeological evidence[ edit]The Mesha Stele bears a Moabite inscription of about 840 BCE by Mesha, ruler of Moab, in which Mesha tells of the oppression of Moab by "Omri king of Israel" and his son after him, and boasts of his own victories over the latter. It is also notable as the most extensive inscription ever recovered that refers to ancient Israel (the "House of Omri"). Though the Bible claims that Jehu killed the last Omride king Jehoram and his ally King Ahaziah of Judah in a coup about 841 BCE, afterwards going on to destroy most remaining members of the House of Omri, archaeological evidence cast some doubt on this account. The author of the Tel Dan Stele (usually identified as King Hazael of Damascus (c.842–806 BCE)) appears himself to have claimed to have killed the two kings, [4] In addition, the Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser, an Assyrian archaeological remain dating from times contemporary with Jehu, names Jehu as a "son of Omri." [5] [6] However the reference to "son of Omri" in the Black Obelisk in the expression "Jehu son of Omri" may be a reference to the "House of Omri", which is believed to have been the Assyrian name for the Kingdom of Israel. Assyrian kings frequently referred to Omri's successors as belonging to the "House of Omri" (Bit Hu-um-ri-a). [7]

To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (63011)	11/19/2014 10:17:55 PM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 69300

So my take-away from the Omrides as Finklestein describes such extended periods of peace & wealth, the Hebrews were truely far better off & happier than any other time when they were polytheistic. Of course all relative, but we do see later those attempts at Hebrew holy jihad & forced conversion with the Maccabees back fires terribly in their faces. It created more hostilities, motives for revenge, especially with the Idumaens which later produces the king Herod in their midst. If one thing the Hebrews have learned we would think, this violence & holy jihad for this one deity has brought them nothing but constant grief & utter ruin every time. And the chosen people nonsense. ( As we see later with the Kitos wars or Bar Kokhba revolt when they are led by a string of mad messiahs to even greater ruin on a scale that for the first time is historically believable vs gross biblical exagerration. ) Idumaens, Herod the Great en.wikipedia.org Instead Josephus explains that Antipater's family converted to Judaism during the forced conversions by the Sadducee-influenced Hasmonean leader John Hyrcanus. Hyrcanus threatened that any Idumeaan who wished to maintain their land would need to be circumcised and enter into the traditions of the Jews. [8] Forcible conversion was not recognized by the dominant Pharisaic tradition, so even though Antipater and Herod the Great may have considered themselves of the Jewish faith, they were not considered Jewish by the observant and nationalist Jews of Judea. [6] This influential family was resented for their Edomite ancestry, their Hellenistic incursions upon Jewish tradition, and their collusion with the Roman invaders.