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To: 2MAR$ who wrote (108724)	12/2/2014 10:44:44 PM
From: TobagoJack	Respond to of 217917

re the occupy-central rebellion taking place in hong kong, playing out of episode 1 script is nearing the epilogue soon the perp-walk shall start but rule-of-law governing direction unclear and rule-of-men wise-direction even less clear scmp.com Police to probe more than 200 Occupy protesters as leaders prepare to surrenderThe three co-founders of Occupy Central will today hand themselves in to police, as a police source revealed that more than 200 people had been identified for investigation over the civil disobedience movement. The Reverend Chu Yiu-ming and academics Benny Tai Yiu-ting and Dr Chan Kin-man plan to report to Central Police Station at 3pm in an attempt to bring a peaceful end to the protests. They also made an open appeal to student-led protesters to retreat. They will be joined by dozens of Occupy supporters, including Cardinal Joseph Zen Ze-kiun. Media tycoon Jimmy Lai Chee-ying and Democratic Party Founder Martin Lee Chu-ming will wait for the protests to end before surrendering. *Watch: Hong Kong's Occupy co-founders to 'surrender', urge students to retreat* Student leaders have ruled out surrendering yet, though Federation of Students leader Alex Chow Yong-kang said last night it was "only a matter of time" before they gave themselves up. The federation would discuss with protesters how to end the campaign, he added. Meanwhile a police source revealed that the Occupy trio were on a list for investigation, along with more than 200 others. They include people who clashed with officers during attempts to clear protest camps and people who had incited others to act illegally. No action had been taken so far because the focus was on clearing the remaining protest camps, the source added. A tearful Reverend Chu urges students to go home. Photo: Sam Tsang The Occupy trio made their announcement two days after student leaders escalated the protests with an attempt to blockade government headquarters in Admiralty. The effort was beaten back by police in an operation that saw dozens of arrests and injuries on both sides. The escalation is thought to have forced the trio to bring their plan to surrender forward by two days. "Our young people have used their bodies to withstand the blows of police batons, their blood and broken bones have brought us the deepest sorrow," Tai said as he read the trio's open letter. "For the sake of the occupiers' safety … we three urge the students to retreat." Chan said he did not agree that the movement had failed or that its tactics had been naïve. "If we were naïve, it would be in our naïve beliefs towards 'one country, two systems' and the government's conscience," he said. "It is the government - which refuses to answer." Chu, a 70-year-old veteran activist, held back tears as he touched on police use of batons, pepper spray and tear gas in an attempt to disperse protesters. READ MORE: To view all the latest Occupy Central stories click here Chan added that Occupy had liaised with the Democratic Development Network, which had pledged to provide subsidies for individuals or groups who intend to promote education on democracy. "I was very clear about my duty from day one - to lead all participants home safely," said Chu, adding that the protest had veered from its theme of "love and peace" and "we could no longer protect everyone". Tai dismissed the idea that the three were abandoning those still on the streets of Admiralty and Causeway Bay. "Our call is out of love to the occupiers," he said, adding that he hoped students would help take the spirit of the "umbrella movement" into the community. Secretary for security Lai Tung-kwok welcomed the trio's decision and said police would act in accordance with procedures in handling the case. *Watch: Hong Kong student leader Joshua Wong respects Occupy co-founders' decision to surrender*

To: 2MAR$ who wrote (108724)	12/2/2014 10:46:35 PM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 217917

for the moment rule of law wins, and as far as global standards go w/r to insurrections / counter-revolutions go, examplery below reader's comment sums up the current situation well enough John AdamsDec 2nd 2014 3:57pm The 10 + 2 lessons from history about student demonstrations : . 1. They start off with idealistic motives but soon escalate to extreme, impossible demands. . 2. The government, especially faced with major demonstrations for the first time, does not know what to do and therefore does nothing . 3. The general public initially sympathize with and support the students' idealistic motives, but then when the demands become extreme public support fades until finally the public are tired of the whole thing and oppose the demonstration. . 4. The moderates protesters drop out and are replaced by radicals (often non-students who just enjoy demonstrating for the fun of fighting with the police ) . 5 The initial moderate leaders are replaced by extremist radicals. . 6. The radical demonstrators dig in and escalate to more extreme tactics . 7. The radical leaders fight among themselves for supreme leadership . 8. The whole demonstration deteriorates into internal anarchy . 9. Anarchy turns into extreme violence . 10. Finally the government is forced to use extreme measures to counter extreme violence . _____________ . Oooops ! .... I accidentally omitted the last two lessons : . 11. The original moderate leaders try to distance themselves from the radical extremists (but no-one takes any notice ) . 12. A few radical extremists go on futile hunger strikes (but no-one takes any notice) .

To: 2MAR$ who wrote (108724)	12/2/2014 10:51:11 PM
From: TobagoJack	Respond to of 217917

my recommendation to the rule of law authorities would be exercise rule of men, and - let the perps of civil insurrection off easy, with proper warning - prepare for insurrection 2.0 possibilities - should 2.0 eventuates, react as precisely as in episode 1.0 minus the tear gas - mobilise the silent majority - go hard on perp-walk 2.0, for the people by the people and for the greater good