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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (172)12/17/1997 1:39:00 PM
From: Valueman  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 29986
 
Maurice:

One variable you are not including is what might be called "spot-capacity." At any point on earth the capacity for the system is limited to the 3 birds over head, or 2, or in the fringes, maybe only one. Thus, your pricing would still vary tremendously because demand in these pockets of capacity will vary so much. That adds even more complexity to the pricing/billing. I don't believe G* could ever offer a rock bottom price because the local telcos need to charge for their land lines or cellular systems that will be linked to the G* user. For G*, each additional call is totally additive to bottom line, but for local partner owning the gateway, it is not. I think another reason to stay away from full capacity at the outset is that it is really unknown right now how the system will perform when maxed out. I believe the designers would like to ease into that situation and see what happens in localized areas before doing it to the whole system. Terrestrial CDMA systems had the same kind of gradual learning curve(and they are still learning).



To: Maurice Winn who wrote (172)12/17/1997 4:40:00 PM
From: dougjn  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 29986
 
Maurice, you erudite obsessed wacko you. <g> Again with this instantaneous pricing by marginal demand!!

If all the air time were being bought by multinational commodity purchasing agents, your scheme would work beautifully. Unfortunately for the purity of your pricing scheme, the average even executive phone user is not an Archer Daniel Midlands commodities buying agent.

Is a corp. gonna give all of its G* users carte blanche to go ahead and incur minute costs even if the minute rate bumps up to $10 for a while? $30? If not, is the exec. gonna be happy about having to monitor it every time, with real downside (non-reimbursement) if he goofs, and little upside if the rate goes low? Maybe he chooses a regular cell phone instead whenever at all possible avoid the hassle/risk?

But if the economic principals are applied significantly less "perfectly", the result would make a lot more sense to me. It makes sense to offer "come on" trial use offers, if initial demand is low in some markets. It makes sense to offer off peak rates. It may make sense in big developed cell markets such as the USA to price service out of the local cell service providers area (but within the areas of roaming agreement coverage) at a satcom rate that will lure away that customer from roaming on a rival cell phone network (i.e. less than $1 a minute), but then switch to the full satcom rate when out of all cell coverage (perhaps a GPS sensing algorithm could handle this workably well).

And even off peak area rates. If G* is initially little utilized in Africa, e.g., give Africa an extended period introductory rate.

Trouble with all this is that I imagine that early adopters will be willing to pay higher prices. The speed of adoption will have more to do with good marketing, the demonstration effect of seeing business associates and friends make use of it, etc. This I think is a key point.

But with respect to rates that can change by huge amounts minute by minute, there is also the problem that there will be a real backlash by people against perceived "price gouging" if rates go up by 50-100% from year two to three, while Gstrf is not facing higher costs but rather higher profits from increased utilization.

The idea of introductory come on deals is familiar, and well accepted. But the idea of prices which could be massively raised from time to time, in a manner the customer will perceive as arbitrary or motivated by naked American greed, is problematic.

Please don't argue the economic theory to me. I understand it perfectly. There is also the matter of human psychology.

And I imagine most of the rest of the world would be less tolerant of hyperchangeable pricing (at least when it has an upward price movement component) than the relatively hyper capitalistic US of A.

Regards, Doug



To: Maurice Winn who wrote (172)12/18/1997 7:36:00 AM
From: Fledermaus  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 29986
 
It strikes me that investors still believe Globalstar is going to be up and running at the end of 98. Forget it!
What would you do in Globalstar's place, if you knew you would be the second to market? There are two aproaches: a)If you are ahead of schedule, you give the impression you are late (or shut up) and b) if you know you will be late, you give the impression you will enter the market together with the competitor. This is what Globalstar is doing.
Now they have changed their debut date to the second quarter of 99. Yet to anybody who is not biased it must be apparent that Globalstar will be in the market at least one year after Iridium.
ON THE MARKET.
Before getting the money to pay the second system, you have to return the investment to the shareholders. The price to the customer will depend on when you want/need your investment returned (I am talking about the owners of the system, not us the stock market investors). Your return of investment will depend on how much traffic you expect to have, which will depend on how many subscribers one has and how many minutes each sub talks. At least in Brazil, Globalstar's price has gone up from 0,30-0,40 per minute(1994) to 1,5 per minute (1997) and it will increase more, when they find out about all their real tail charges (which they must have by now). Iridium was talking 3,00 per minute (1994) and now is talking from US$ 2 to 5 (1997 - Staiano's I think) , depending on the type of call. I think Globalstar will also start talking of a range of prices in 1998. And it is not going to be below 1 dollar.



To: Maurice Winn who wrote (172)1/20/2001 12:10:07 AM
From: Maurice Winn  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 29986
 
Okay, this is the last "I told you so" post. I am just sitting here, idly clicking through the past, feeling disconsolate.
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To: I. Luttichuys who wrote (171)
From: Maurice Winn Wednesday, Dec 17, 1997 1:23 PM ET
Reply # of 21351

Bennett, Mike Doyle and all, this discussion about demand perplexes me. The basic problem is that the supplier of the goods thinks they set the price. That is not true. It is true in the narrow sense that they can say they will not sell below such and such a price. But if no customers show up, then they are not going to sell very many.
In the normal course of events, a supplier has an incremental cost in supplying a bit more of a product - another handset means another chip and assembly cost and all that, another print of Windows 95 costs the price of a CD-ROM and packaging, plus distribution costs. But with Globalstar, the whole thing gets built in one go. No marginal costs of production for another customer to come on line. If they own a handset, they can use another minute and there is zero marginal cost. Until the sytem reaches capacity at which time there is another constellation needed.

At the end of 1998 there is going to be about $6bn worth of satellites, earth stations and development cost all sitting there, humming away, waiting for a customer to show up. So the question is, how much to sell a minute for? The old idea is that you hang a sign out saying $1 per minute and hope somebody comes along. You are all wondering if there will be enough demand? Just how many people will buy the service.

This is all arse about face, to use some local idiom. The way to do it is start at a really low price, like US$0.05 per minute and keep it low until the system is full. Then raise the price until the system is always operating at capacity - dearer at busy times, cheaper at quiet times. That way you fill the system really fast, you get millions of happy customers chattering away at the cheapest possible price, you get money for the next constellation, you are the most competitive so Iridium and others don't get a look in, you make the most money because your system is fully used at the maximum price acceptable to subscribers.

Of course demand is there to totally fill the system. The only question is at what price will the system be filled. Handsets should be produced extremely fast initially and at a really high price, because the early adopters would get the cheapest minutes. After the system is filled, handset prices would drop and minute prices rise.

My guess is that the system will easily fill at $1 per minute. But if Globalstar try to tell subscribers what they have to pay, then they will take much longer to fill the system, they won't get so many customers, competitors will make inroads, shareholders will enjoy reduced profits, potential subscribers will remain unsatisfied.

Whether Globalstar likes it or not, understands it or not, the price they get will be that which subscribers are happy to pay. NOT what they tell subscribers the price is. So yes, the demand is there sufficient to fill 10 Globalstar systems, very profitably.

Sorry that this is a lecturing type "address", not directed at you Bennett, because I expect you are one of the people who would most easily see the point, but just in frustration that Globalstar and investors seem to want to "control" the market. Decide how many fixed and how many mobile. How much subscribers will pay. The designers of the system decided all that - their design defined the system, the subscribers will vote with their money how it is used.

In the land of democracy, you'd think it would be a simple concept that people vote with money to decide who gets what service where and the people do the deciding, not the supplier. If a supplier doesn't come up to scratch, the voters vote somebody else in.
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Well, somebody is going to be voted in at our expense. The question is who and at what cost to us.

Globalstar was so much more than an investment to me. It was an encapsulation of hopes and dreams. So, at the beginning of the 21st century it is confirmed for me that hopes and dreams are mirages to be hung out to dry in the desert. I wonder if I will ever learn why Globalstar, Vodafone and the other service providers failed so badly to sell the system.

It was not a failure of demand. The demand was never tested anywhere near a realistic price per minute. It was a false filosofy in Vodafone.

Globalstar was two years late, two dollars short and two Buds short of a 6-pack. [Tero, as usual, was wrong! He thought they were one Bud short].

I hope Blackstone reads this and I hope it gives them an idea. I do NOT think that will happen. Blackstone! What a name - sounds like an undertaker. Let's hope they can bring the corpse back to life. In a way, it's a good name. Suitably serious...

Mqurice

PS: Hmmm, PCSTEL, I see that Post 666 was the GSRS post, but I'm not sure there was really a mark of the beast about that.

Over and out...

Meanwhile, here comes George W Bush. He should be sleeping soundly as the new era dawns. Clinton will be wandering the halls of power, planning his return in some form. Bernie will be wandering the heaths, raving in the wilderness...

Life goes on...long live the 21st century...