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To: Greg or e who wrote (64839)1/13/2015 4:16:06 AM
From: Solon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 
"I have never known of a "supernatural revelation" that had any evidence to support it."
That's not what you said previously. Are you lying now or were you lying
then????
I am not lying, and I did not lie in the link you posted. The "supernatural revelation" I mentioned had no evidence to support it. The fact that it was true indicates (to me) either coincidence, trickery, or fortuitous conclusions flowing from unconscious information. I am aware of no evidence to support a diagnosis based on a vision.

I will give another example to make this clear to you, as I know you are quite confused about what is meant by "evidence".

A person my wife and I know is very involved in "psychic" healing. This person had an (apparently) cancerous growth on her face which resisted all her "alternative" treatment methods. Eventually, she spent a considerable sum to travel to a healer. I can attest that the growth was gone within about 4 months after her return. Was this evidence for a supernatural healing? No. The reason for the healing is unknown. But unknown does not equate to supernatural. It may well be that certain people (or all people) have latent healing powers not yet adequately defined by Science. But this is not evidence of the supernatural. Skydiving would appear supernatural to primitive man. However, we know it is naturally allowed by the laws of physics.

Don't mistake the awe that Einstein had for the mysteries of the unknown with any belief in "revelation". All free thinkers with any imagination find the universe and the life in it to be full of wonder and awe. There is magic in our ignorance simply because the incomprehensible has always a magical character.

I have sat at table with great magicians and witnessed "magical" events that I could not rationally compute--even with a fairly adequate knowledge of magic and magicians. Did I consider them supernatural beings? Not at all. Was I mystified and awe-struck? You bet I was.



To: Greg or e who wrote (64839)1/13/2015 4:28:47 AM
From: Solon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 
"The Resurrection of Jesus Christ is historically attested and rationally defensible, but you prefer the visions of Shamans"

The "gospel" Jesus is sheer invention. The spirituality of other cultures such as the "shamans" of indigenous peoples are as real as Christian Priests and Ministers. They all profess to have healing powers which derive from supernatural connections. Even though, all religions (thousands of them) have demonstrated "healing" powers--there is no evidence that these healings were effected by supernatural interventions.

"you prefer the visions of Shamans"

I have enjoyed the various rituals in many churches. I have also enjoyed the ritual of the Shaking Tent and wondering just what was going on! In magic, somebody is always trying to fool somebody!



To: Greg or e who wrote (64839)1/13/2015 8:52:49 AM
From: Solon  Respond to of 69300
 
Science has limits: A few things that science does not do
Science is powerful. It has generated the knowledge that allows us to call a friend halfway around the world with a cell phone, vaccinate a baby against polio, build a skyscraper, and drive a car. And science helps us answer important questions like which areas might be hit by a tsunami after an earthquake, how did the hole in the ozone layer form, how can we protect our crops from pests, and who were our evolutionary ancestors? With such breadth, the reach of science might seem to be endless, but it is not. Science has definite limits.
Science doesn't make moral judgments
When is euthanasia the right thing to do? What universal rights should humans have? Should other animals have rights? Questions like these are important, but scientific research will not answer them. Science can help us learn about terminal illnesses and the history of human and animal rights — and that knowledge can inform our opinions and decisions. But ultimately, individual people must make moral judgments. Science helps us describe how the world is, but it cannot make any judgments about whether that state of affairs is right, wrong, good, or bad.
Coming soon! Read more in our side trip Science and morality.-->
Science doesn't make aesthetic judgments
Science can reveal the frequency of a G-flat and how our eyes relay information about color to our brains, but science cannot tell us whether a Beethoven symphony, a Kabuki performance, or a Jackson Pollock painting is beautiful or dreadful. Individuals make those decisions for themselves based on their own aesthetic criteria.
Science doesn't tell you how to use scientific knowledge
Although scientists often care deeply about how their discoveries are used, science itself doesn't indicate what should be done with scientific knowledge. Science, for example, can tell you how to recombine DNA in new ways, but it doesn't specify whether you should use that knowledge to correct a genetic disease, develop a bruise-resistant apple, or construct a new bacterium. For almost any important scientific advance, one can imagine both positive and negative ways that knowledge could be used. Again, science helps us describe how the world is, and then we have to decide how to use that knowledge.
To learn more about the different ways that humans have applied scientific knowledge, explore What has science done for you lately?
Science doesn't draw conclusions about supernatural explanations
Do gods exist? Do supernatural entities intervene in human affairs? These questions may be important, but science won't help you answer them. Questions that deal with supernatural explanations are, by definition, beyond the realm of nature — and hence, also beyond the realm of what can be studied by science. For many, such questions are matters of personal faith and spirituality.
Read more about these issues:
Moral judgments, aesthetic judgments, decisions about applications of science, and conclusions about the supernatural are outside the realm of science, but that doesn't mean that these realms are unimportant. In fact, domains such as ethics, aesthetics, and religion fundamentally influence human societies and how those societies interact with science. Neither are such domains unscholarly. In fact, topics like aesthetics, morality, and theology are actively studied by philosophers, historians, and other scholars. However, questions that arise within these domains generally cannot be resolved by science.

Moral judgments, aesthetic judgments, decisions about applications of science, and conclusions about the supernatural are outside the realm of science.
Misconception: Science contradicts the existence of God. Correction: Science cannot support or contradict the existence of supernatural entities. It deals only with natural phenomena and explanations. Read more about it.


Science in sum
In this section, we've seen that, though hard to define concisely, science has a handful of key features that set it apart from other areas of human knowledge. However, the net cast by science is wide. The Science Checklist matches up to a diverse set of human endeavors — from uncovering the fundamental particles of the universe, to studying the mating behavior of lobsters, to investigating the effects of different economic policies. We've also seen that science has limits: some questions that are an important part of the human experience are not answerable within the context of science. So science isn't everything, but it is important. Science helps us construct knowledge about the natural world — knowledge that can then be harnessed to improve our lives and solve problems. How does science do it? To find out, read on …




To: Greg or e who wrote (64839)1/13/2015 9:00:15 AM
From: Solon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 

•Science focuses exclusively on the natural
world, and does not deal with supernatural explanations.

•Science is a way of learning about what is
in the natural world, how the natural world works, and how the natural world got
to be the way it is. It is not simply a collection of facts; rather it is a path
to understanding.


Understanding Science: An overview

To understand what science is, just look around you. What do you see? Perhaps, your hand on the mouse, a computer screen, papers, ballpoint pens, the family cat, the sun shining through the window …. Science is, in one sense, our knowledge of all that — all the stuff that is in the universe: from the tiniest subatomic particles in a single atom of the metal in your computer's circuits, to the nuclear reactions that formed the immense ball of gas that is our sun, to the complex chemical interactions and electrical fluctuations within your own body that allow you to read and understand these words. But just as importantly, science is also a reliable process by which we learn about all that stuff in the universe. However, science is different from many other ways of learning because of the way it is done. Science relies on testing ideas with evidence gathered from the natural world. This website will help you learn more about science as a process of learning about the natural world and access the parts of science that affect your life.

It's all science.

It's all science.

Science helps satisfy the natural curiosity with which we are all born: why is the sky blue, how did the leopard get its spots, what is a solar eclipse? With science, we can answer such questions without resorting to magical explanations. And science can lead to technological advances, as well as helping us learn about enormously important and useful topics, such as our health, the environment, and natural hazards. Without science, the modern world would not be modern at all, and we still have much to learn. Millions of scientists all over the world are working to solve different parts of the puzzle of how the universe works, peering into its nooks and crannies, deploying their microscopes, telescopes, and other tools to unravel its secrets.

Scientists are everywhere, unravelling the secrets of the universe.

Scientists are everywhere, unravelling the secrets of the universe.

Science is complex and multi-faceted, but the most important characteristics of science are straightforward:

•Science focuses exclusively on the natural world, and does not deal with supernatural explanations.

•Science is a way of learning about what is in the natural world, how the natural world works, and how the natural world got to be the way it is. It is not simply a collection of facts; rather it is a path to understanding.

•Scientists work in many different ways, but all science relies on testing ideas by figuring out what expectations are generated by an idea and making observations to find out whether those expectations hold true.

•Accepted scientific ideas are reliable because they have been subjected to rigorous testing, but as new evidence is acquired and new perspectives emerge these ideas can be revised.

•Science is a community endeavor. It relies on a system of checks and balances, which helps ensure that science moves in the direction of greater accuracy and understanding. This system is facilitated by diversity within the scientific community, which offers a broad range of perspectives on scientific ideas.
To many, science may seem like an arcane, ivory-towered institution — but that impression is based on a misunderstanding of science. In fact:

•Science affects your life everyday in all sorts of different ways.

•Science can be fun and is accessible to everyone.

•You can apply an understanding of how science works to your everyday life.

•Anyone can become a scientist — of the amateur or professional variety.

It's all science.

Science doesn't just take place in laboratories. You can have fun with and make use of science in everyday life.

Where to begin?
Here are some places you may want to start your investigation:

•What is science? Find out what makes science science.

•How does it work? Probe the nuts and bolts of the process of science.

•Why is it important? Learn how science affects your life everyday and how you can apply an understanding of the nature of science in your everyday life.

undsci.berkeley.edu