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To: Jamey who wrote (301)	12/17/1997 4:30:00 PM
From: O'Hara	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1283

><>...Afternoon James,. ..><> For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ. Exactly! But God does not have to, nor will He, Zap us out of here in order to keep us from His wrath.....His wrath is not directed at those who love Him....Where is your faith? "As long as you continue to post about this, I promise I will follow behind to tell the truth about what the Bible really says. You don't mean the Bible James, you mean what Mr. hal lindsay and Mr. jack van impe and others say. You cannot point to any place in the word of God that teaches the "rapture theory" OR a "Two process" second coming of our Lord! It is just not written...Just vain imaginations of men and their traditions.!... If you think you can point to something to back this up (2 Process second coming of our Lord) please do, ...From the word of God. Your teachings James, teach people to sit on their salvation and just wait to be zapped out of here, while the word of God teaches that there will be tribulations, and we will face those tribulations and what we should be doing to prepare for those events. Your teachings will lead people right into the hands of antichrist, while the word of God teaches what we should do when we hear that Christ has returned. satan is an evil deceiver and when he appears disguised as Jesus all of those waiting to be raptured will be deceived! And that is why to many Christ will come as a thief in the night.! Because they will no longer be waiting for Him any more. That is why He warned Matt 24:19-20 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: Because they will have slept with the enemy! And also why He said; Luke 23:29 29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck. These will not sleep with the enemy....They know the truth about the spurious messiah....satan disguised as Jesus. They know that Christ will not return at any moment, but at the 7th trump. They know that 2 most important events must first take place. II Th 2:3 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; They know that satan will come disguised as Jesus and day that he is God. II Th 2:4 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. They also know that he will come performing signs and miracles that if it were possible even the elect would be deceived. Consider the two in the field Matt 24:39-44 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Taken by who? The subject which Christ was teaching on was the flood read it again James...and those taken were taken by the flood!....those who were not in the ark...Those who were not prepared!...The flood took them away...as in Rev. there will be another flood...a flood of lies that will come out of satan's mouth to deceive all who will believe that he is Jesus....He is the great deceiver.! 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Paul was emphatic! The Lord will not return until the 7th trump and satan comes at the 6th trump, 6th vial, 6th seal...666 4-5 trumps have already been sounded...There is only one more event to be completed which will sound the 6th trump! And it is happening while we speak my good friend..... Mark 13:33-37 33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. 34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. 35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: 36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. 37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch. James you don't disagree with me, These are not my teachings.! My hands are clean. Have a good day James Shalom...><>

To: Jamey who wrote (301)	12/18/1997 12:03:00 PM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1283

Dear, dear James. How wonderful to hear that the "accountable to be found worthy to escape" is not the final catching up all dead people, not in that they are in the grave as some believe, but are in the holding place the kind and loving father allows the sould that steps out of the body to happily stay in until that time. People have seen this place. This place exists, I am certain, and the Catholic church blended it with pagan myths and created a Percatory, where anguished souls beg for a second chance and we on earth pray our heads off and God opens the gate of hell and lets them out. Oh, boy. Anyway, yes the scriptues speak of two things. No, I will not start saying that the words and the Strong's are actually not what I see, and I will see something else. Until then, why does it bother people so much. The Spirit of God cannot war among Himself. There is something here. I just see two things will happen. We will all be here, period. Or, some will go and some will stay because they really want to and God needs them. Or all will go, even if they didn't believe in it. I believe haggling this is a waste of our time? And being forced to conform to ideas we do not actually see in scripture is not right, according to my way of understanding Jesus and Paul. This is a matter which should fall way, way to the back of the problems of Earth. The other problems are huge volcanoes. This is a speck of sand in someone's shoe. Let's just have a thread for believers called the "Great Exit." Then if we care to discuss the matter it will not be offensive, and may actually be a way to bring others curious into discussion. James, want to start one? Shalom, could you live with that and not be bothered by it?