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To: FJB who wrote (830279)1/16/2015 10:53:49 AM
From: Taro  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1576627
 
The police report about the 55 so called 'no-go' zones (the Police admit to having problems working there incl. attacks on their vehicles) is correct, except for the following

1. No Jihadist or Muslim gangs. The structures - if any - are along other lines, just bad guys with common 'interests' getting together with the newer networks (younger people) mostly from eastern Europe, like Balkan, Baltic states etc.
The older more established networks as opposed to the new ones by younger people, are better structured and doing organized robbery etc.

2. These 55 zones are in no way (yet) comparable to the French no-go zones, where national law no longer exists and which de factor are left to govern themselves.

The idea of these being Muslim Jihad gangs like in France and the UK with Sharia law applied has been added to the original Swedish police report by right extreme groups with mainly Muslim bashing activities of all kinds.

Here below is a link to the official Swedish Police website.

polisen.se

Click on ' Kriminella nätverk med stor påverkan i lokalsamhället (.pdf, 6,3 megabyte)' in the mid and download the complete report.

Yes, it's in Swedish and I actually read the whole thing, so if really interested you need to run it through a Google on-line translator.
On page 10 you find a short discussion of the structures and type of criminals involved

Yes, we (my son living in Lund close to Malmo and I, aro 15 years ago) have actually been in 'contact' with one of the elder well established networks in Lund, close to Malmo, when they stole a BMW M5 of mine from my son.
The bad guys were youngsters from a well known Roma family there and since they even got hold of the original docs etc., little the cops could do except for warning my son to stay away from those guys, since they were 'known to be somewhat dangerous to deal with'.
In That area of Sweden they have problems with those guys with a history several generations back.

(Only recently the Swedish police got some serious problems, when they were attacked by leftist liberals for keeping track of the local gypsie families for years and thus keeping them at bay. 'Discrimination against a population group...)

Anyway, yes, Sweden has a growing and serious problem with a flood of immigrants out of control in many areas, 55 of which are included in the police report.

But from there and promoting the fairy tale, that this is a Jihadist Muslim based problem is preposterous, because that version is pure fabrication to fit in with what's going on in France and the UK right now.

That is bad enough as it is and who knows how France and the UK, most likely soon to come other places in Europe, will eventually deal with that.

Maybe your great president could come up with some good ideas? I mean, assuming that he eventually discover any ties between the Paris terror attack and Islam...

/Taro



To: FJB who wrote (830279)1/16/2015 12:27:16 PM
From: bentway  Respond to of 1576627
 
Debunking the Myth of Muslim-Only Zones in Major European Cities



By Carol Matlack January 14, 2015
businessweek.com
( Lesson?, don't believe Fox 'News'! )

Entire neighborhoods of Paris, London, and other European cities have become Muslim-run "no-go zones," off-limits to law enforcement and governed by Islamic sharia law. The story, making the rounds since last week's Paris terror attacks, is shocking—and demonstrably untrue. Yet it continues to spread.

Steve Emerson, a U.S. television commentator, set off a firestorm in Britain on Jan. 11 when he told Fox News that "non-Muslims just simply don't go in" to the British city of Birmingham, and that in some parts of London, "religious police" beat people who don't wear "religious Muslim attire." Prime Minister David Cameron called Emerson "a complete idiot," and Emerson quickly backtracked, admitting he had made "an inexcusable error." British social media had a field day, with Twitter posts showing "sharia-compliant" cloth-covered jars of homemade jam and photoshopped images of mosques dominating the Birmingham skyline.

The story didn't die there. Nigel Farage, head of Britain's anti-immigrant U.K. Independence Party, asserted on Jan. 13 that there were no-go zones "right across Europe. We have got no-go zones across most of the big French cities," he told Fox News. Another Fox commentator, Nolan Peterson, has been posting online reports this week saying that some 750 areas in France have been "marked as off-limits by French authorities, restricting access by police and other emergency services."

While the British were outraged, the French simply seem amused. Paris social-media wags have already posted a guide to "eating and drinking in the no-go zones," which happen to include some of the city's trendy gentrifying neighborhoods.

In fact, France does maintain a list of 750 "sensitive" neighborhoods. Far from being considered "off limits" to authorities, they've been designated as priority areas for urban renewal and other forms of state aid.

"That's pretty funny," says Hait Abbas, a non-practicing Muslim who runs a wine shop in a Paris neighborhood among those identified by Peterson as a no-go zone. Far from being Muslim-dominated, the neighborhood near the Gare du Nord train station bustles with Italian delis, African hair-braiding shops, and Chinese massage parlors. If it's governed by Islamic law, Abbas says, "I guess I better cut my hand off."

Where did the story of the no-go zones come from? Daniel Pipes, a U.S. historian and political commentator, says he believes he was the first person to refer to disadvantaged French neighborhoods as no-go zones. In a 2006 article, he said the existence of the zones suggested "that the French state no longer has full control over its territory."

Pipes now says he was mistaken. In 2013, after traveling to several listed Paris neighborhoods and mainly immigrant and Muslim areas of five other European cities, he wrote: "For a visiting American, these areas are very mild, even dull. We who know the Bronx and Detroit expect urban hell in Europe, too, but there things look fine … hardly beautiful, but buildings are intact, greenery abounds, and order prevails. … Having this first-hand experience, I regret having called these areas no-go zones," he wrote.

In an e-mail to Bloomberg Businessweek today, Pipes says that a no-go zone "is a place where the government has lost control and cannot enforce the rule of law." There are, he now says, "no European countries with no-go zones."

Meanwhile, though, the idea of European no-go zones took root. After riots broke out in some French suburbs in 2012, analyst Soeren Kern of the Gatestone Institute, a New York-based think tank, wrote that France was trying to "reclaim no-go zones," including the areas that had been listed in Pipes's 2006 report. Kern defined them as "Muslim-dominated neighborhoods that are largely off-limits to non-Muslims." In other reports, Kern has written that Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Sweden also have no-go zones.

Fox news commentator Peterson, a freelance writer and U.S. Air Force veteran, didn't respond to messages sent via his website and Twitter feed. But according to his website, he studied in Paris from 2004 to 2006 after graduating from the Air Force Academy. In a Jan. 10 Fox News interview, Peterson said he visited some areas around Paris that were "pretty scary. I've been to Afghanistan, Iraq, Kashmir, India, and at times it felt like … those places. You see young men wearing Osama bin Laden T-shirts."

As with many urban legends, there are grains of truth in this one. Many French Muslims live in tough, isolated neighborhoods and have faced discrimination in housing and employment. Sometimes, police are afraid to respond to calls from dangerous neighborhoods in France and elsewhere. A few years ago, an Islamist group in Britain demanded that the government establish autonomous sharia-governed zones in some cities. The government swiftly outlawed the group, and it hasn't been heard from since.

The next stop for the no-go legend could be the U.S. "This is actually a strategy that is slowly being implemented worldwide by radical Islam," Harry Houck, identified as a private investigator and retired New York City police detective, told conservative news website Newsmax on Tuesday.

—With Gregory Viscusi and Steve Rhinds in Paris