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To: Brumar89 who wrote (65945)	2/16/2015 9:56:00 AM
From: Solon	Respond to of 69300

I didn't know he made such intelligent posts. There must be lots you are leaving out, because murderers have a huge layer of irrationality and immorality in their make-up. Just look at Gary Ridgeway as one of thousands of Christian murderers. "Gary Ridgway killed as many as 60 women, more murders than any serial killer in U.S. history. ~ In the late '70s Gary became fanatical about religion. He would go from door to door proselytizing for a Pentecostal church and would be infuriated when people refused to listen to him. At home he would sit in front of the television with a Bible open on his lap, and he often cried after attending church services." I wonder if he had Christian friends on SI??

To: Brumar89 who wrote (65945)	2/16/2015 9:57:56 AM
From: Solon	Respond to of 69300

"Pedro spent his years in prison professing his love for Jesus, quoting scripture and carving Jesus' likeness into coins. Upon his release from prison, which can be seen on film, he praised the Lord for granting him this, "Great fortune." He claimed by killing these little girls, he was doing them a favor, and for certain, and most importantly, "The work of the Lord." He also claimed Jesus had granted him the power to give life and take it away" "The 'Monster of the Andes' Pedro Alonzo Lopez, was responsible for the murders of over 350 children, yet in 1998 he was set free despite his vows to kill again. whereabouts - unknown Pedro Alonzo Lopez was born in Tolmia, Colombia, in 1949. The son of a penniless prostitute, Pedro was the seventh of 13 children. In 1957, at the age of 8, Pedro's mother caught him having sexual relations with his younger sister, and his worst nightmare became a reality — he was exiled to the streets and ordered never to return home again. Deuteronomy 22:23-24 King James Version (KJV) 23If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; 24Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you. Answered Prayers: 18-year-old Pedro was arrested by authorities for car theft and sentenced to serve seven years in prison. He served just two days behind bars before being brutally gang-raped by four older inmates. Pedro swore to himself that no one would ever touch him again. In retaliation, he fashioned a crude knife from prison utensils and spent the following two weeks getting his revenge by individually murdering each of the four men that had raped him. Upon his release from prison in 1978, Pedro traveled widely throughout Peru. It was during this time that he later claimed to have begun stalking and killing at least 100 young girls from various Indian tribes throughout the region. He was captured by a group of Ayacuchos, in northern Peru, while attempting to kidnap a 9-year-old girl. The Indians stripped and tortured Pedro for hours before deciding to bury him alive. Nonetheless, luck was apparently on his side, because an American Christian missionary intervened and convinced his captors that murder was ungodly and that they should turn Pedro over to the proper authorities. They reluctantly agreed and remanded their prisoner over to the Peruvian authorities. Not wanting to waste time investigating petty Indian complaints, the Peruvian Government deported Pedro back to Ecuador. * Thus freeing him to kill again and again and again * Carvina Poveda, was shopping at a local marketplace with her 12-year-old daughter Marie, when an unknown man attempted to abduct the young girl. Carvina cried out for help as the man tried to flee the market with her daughter in his arms. Local merchants quickly came to her aide, chased the man down before he could make his escape, and held him down as the authorities were summoned. HEROINE MARIA POVEDA, CHOSEN BY THE MONSTER TO DIE BECAUSE SHE HAD A WOMAN'S FACE, HAS A LOOK OF ABSOLUTE DREAD AND FEAR ON IT AFTER SHE AND HER MOTHER, BEHIND, HELPED BY A MOB OF ANGRY INDIANS, CAPTURED THE MONSTER OF THE ANDES IN ECUADOR. THEY WERE PHOTOGRAPHED AT A BONFIRE CELEBRATING THE KILLER'S CAPTURE. PHOTO BY RON LAYTNER, EDIT INTERNATIONAL. Pedro confessed to investigators that he had murdered at least 110 girls in Ecuador, 100 in Colombia, and "many more than 100" in Peru. "I like the girls in Ecuador," he told them. "They are more gentle and trusting, more innocent. He always searched for his victims in full daylight, because he did not want darkness to hide their throes of death from him. When asked what he meant by this, Pedro explained that he would first rape his victim, and then strangle them as he stared into their eyes. He claimed to feel deep pleasure and sexual excitement watching their life fade before him. The investigators' doubts soon began to vanish when Pedro led them to a secluded area in the vicinity of Ambato, where they discovered the remains of 53 girls, aged eight to twelve. DOZENS OF YOUNG WOMEN WERE REPORTED MISSING. SHOWN HERE ARE TWO OF THE MONSTER'S 350 VICTIMS. LOPEZ MAY HAVE KILLED MANY MORE. A NUMBER OF GRAVE SITES WHERE HE DUMPED BODIES WERE PAVED OVER OR EMPTIED BY ANIMALS. PHOTO BY RON LAYTNER, EDIT INTERNATIONAL. Pedro Alonzo Lopez ~ "I went after my victims by walking among the markets searching for a girl with a certain look on her face — a look of innocence and beauty. She would be a good girl, working with her mother. I followed them sometimes for two or three days, waiting for when she was left alone. I would give her a trinket like a hand mirror, then take her to the edge of town where I would promise a trinket for her mother. "I would take her to a secret hideaway where prepared graves waited. Sometimes there were bodies of earlier victims there. I cuddled them and then raped them at sunrise. At the first sign of light I would get excited. I forced the girl into sex and put my hands around her throat. When the sun rose I would strangle her. "It was only good if I could see her eyes, it would have been wasted in the dark — I had to watch them by daylight. There is a divine moment when I have my hands around a young girl's throat. I look into her eyes and see a certain light, a spark, suddenly go out. The moment of death is enthralling and exciting. "The moment of death is enthralling and exciting. Only those who actually kill know what I mean." "When I am released I will feel that moment again." An A&E Biography documentary reports that he was released by Ecuadorian prison on 31 August 1994, and re-arrested an hour later as an illegal immigrant, and handed over to Colombian authorities who charged him with a twenty year old murder. He was found to be insane and held in a psychiatric wing of a Bogotá hospital. In 1998 he was declared sane, and released on $50 bail. The same documentary says that Interpol released an advisory for his re-arrest by Colombian authorities over a fresh murder in 2002. He has not been heard from or seen since his release and to date, no one knows if López is dead or alive. Of Perfect Faith: Pedro spent his years in prison professing his love for Jesus, quoting scripture and carving Jesus' likeness into coins. Upon his release from prison, which can be seen on film, he praised the Lord for granting him this, "Great fortune." He claimed by killing these little girls, he was doing them a favor, and for certain, and most importantly, "The work of the Lord." He also claimed Jesus had granted him the power to give life and take it away. Christian Bible: The Gospel of John And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? "Let He of Perfect Faith Cast the First Stone." ~ Jesus Christ And so he did. As a final insult, many of Padro's victims practiced native religions, and were non-Christians. The Christian Bible tell us, as long as Pedro accepts Jesus Christ as his personal savior, all is forgiven and Padro will be seated on right hand side of the Father in Heaven, whilst his little victims, terrorized and tortured in this life will once again be terrorized and tortured in the next, for not. That should be all the convincing one needs to reason, religion is antithetical to ethics and morality.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (65945)	2/16/2015 4:06:19 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

Is that all you have, this Hicks illusion? Now that we've trained you to become more political correct the next thing to do is see Hick's superficiality is only a reflection of yourself. Not interested really, this is common residue from white supremacy regions & rise up from the religious- gun cultures you would know so much about , being from the 'lone star lynching state'. Message 29938388 Kirvin, Texas... where three black men, two of them almost certainly innocent, were accused of killing a white woman and, under the gaze of hundreds of soda-drinking spectators, were CASTRATED, stabbed, beaten, tied to a plow and SET FIRE in the spring of 1922." Relatives of yurs? memeo

To: Brumar89 who wrote (65945)	2/16/2015 4:13:12 PM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 69300

Own it: "Christian Soldiers: The lynching and torture of blacks in the Jim Crow South weren’t just acts of racism. They were religious rituals." slate.com We can’t deny that lynching—in all of its grotesque brutality—was an act of religious significance justified by the Christianity of the day. For his victims, “Judge Lynch”—journalist Ida B. Wells’ name for the lynch mob—was capricious, merciless, and barbaric. C.J. Miller, falsely accused of killing two teenaged white sisters in western Kentucky, was “dragged through the streets to a crude platform of old barrel staves and other kindling,” writes historian Philip Dray in At the Hands of Persons Unknown: The Lynching of Black America. His assailants hanged him from a telephone pole, and while “the first fall broke his neck … the body was repeatedly raised and lowered while the crowd peppered it with small-arms fire.” For two hours his corpse hung above the street, during which he was photographed and mutilated by onlookers. Finally, he was cut down and burned. More savage was the lynching of Mary Turner and her unborn child, killed for protesting her husband’s murder. “efore a crowd that included women and children,” writes Dray, “Mary was stripped, hung upside down by the ankles, soaked with gasoline, and roasted to death. In the midst of this torment, a white man opened her swollen belly with a hunting knife and her infant fell to the ground, gave a cry, and was stomped to death.” These lynchings weren’t just vigilante punishments or, as the Equal Justice Initiative notes, “celebratory acts of racial control and domination.” They were rituals. And specifically, they were rituals of Southern evangelicalism and its then-dogma of purity, literalism, and white supremacy. “Christianity was the primary lens through which most southerners conceptualized and made sense of suffering and death of any sort,” writes historian Amy Louise Wood in Lynching and Spectacle: Witnessing Racial Violence in America, 1890–1940. “It would be inconceivable that they could inflict pain and torment on the bodies of black men without imagining that violence as a religious act, laden with Christian symbolism and significance.” (Continued from Page 1) The God of the white South demanded purity—embodied by the white woman. White southerners would build the barrier with segregation. But when it was breached, lynching was the way they would mend the fence and affirm their freedom from the moral contamination, represented by blacks and black men in particular. (Although, not limited to them. Leo Frank, lynched in 1915, was Jewish.) The perceived breach was frequently sexual, defined by the myth of the black rapist, a “demon” and “beast” who set out to defile the Christian purity of white womanhood. In his narrative of the lynching of Henry Smith—killed for the alleged rape and murder of 3-year-old Myrtle Vance—writer P.L. James recounted how the energy of an entire city and country was turned toward the apprehension of the demon who had devastated a home and polluted an innocent life.” James wasn’t alone. Many other defenders of lynching understood their acts as a Christian duty, consecrated as God’s will against racial transgression. “After Smith’s lynching,” Wood notes, “another defender wrote, ‘It was nothing but the vengeance of an outraged God, meted out to him, through the instrumentality of the people that caused the cremation.’ ” As UNC–Chapel Hill Professor Emeritus Donald G. Mathews writes in the Journal of Southern Religion, “Religion permeated communal lynching because the act occurred within the context of a sacred order designed to sustain holiness.” The “sacred order” was white supremacy and the “holiness” was white virtue. I should emphasize that blacks of the era understood lynching as rooted in the Christian practice of white southerners. “It is exceedingly doubtful if lynching could possibly exist under any other religion than Christianity,” wrote NAACP leader Walter White in 1929, “No person who is familiar with the Bible-beating, acrobatic, fanatical preachers of hell-fire in the South, and who has seen the orgies of emotion created by them, can doubt for a moment that dangerous passions are released which contribute to emotional instability and play a part in lynching.” And while some church leaders condemned the practice as contrary to the Gospel of Christ—“Religion and lynching; Christianity and crushing, burning and blessing, savagery and national sanity cannot go together in this country,” declared one 1904 editorial—the overwhelming consent of the white South confirmed White’s view. The only Southern Christianity united in its opposition to lynching was that of black Americans, who tried to recontextualize the onslaught as a kind of crucifixion and its victims as martyrs, flipping the script and making blacks the true inheritors of Christian salvation and redemption. It’s that last point which should highlight how none of this was intrinsic to Christianity: It was a question of power, and of the need of the powerful to sanctify their actions. Still, we can’t deny that lynching—in all of its grotesque brutality—was an act of religious significance justified by the Christianity of the day. It was also political: an act of terror and social control, and the province of private citizens, public officials, and powerful lawmakers. Sen. Ben Tillman of South Carolina defended lynching on the floor of the U.S. Senate, and President Woodrow Wilson applauded a film that celebrated Judge Lynch and his disciples. Top Comment It's fascinating to me how many people are pointing out some good things some Christians did, or some positive passages from the Bible to argue that lynchers did not represent Christianity, and then point out some bad things that Qaeda... More... -Procrastinating Dissertator 1.6k Comments Join In Which is all to say that President Obama was right. The vastly different environments of pre–civil rights America and the modern-day Middle East belies the substantive similarities between the fairly recent religious violence of our white supremacist forebears and that of our contemporary enemies. And the present divide between moderate Muslims and their fanatical opponents has an analogue in our past divide between northern Christianity and its southern counterpart. This isn’t relativism as much as it’s a clear-eyed view of our common vulnerability, of the truth that the seeds of violence and autocracy can sprout anywhere, and of the fact that our present position on the moral high ground isn’t evidence of some intrinsic superiority. memeo

To: Brumar89 who wrote (65945)	2/16/2015 11:57:04 PM
From: 2MAR$	1 Recommendation Recommended By Solon Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

"Gary Ridgway, Christian, killed as many as 60 women, more murders than any serial killer in U.S. history. ~ In the late '70s Gary became fanatical about religion. He would go from door to door proselytizing for a Pentecostal church and would be infuriated when people refused to listen to him. *At home he would sit in front of the television with a Bible open on his lap, and he often cried after attending church services."* Shall we reason lamely like you & assume you are related ? You're getting more & more pinheaded with every post, what happened in NC was a tragedy so give it a rest. Perhaps meditate on that history of Gary Ridgeway above for a bit, but we know you'll just pull another retarded, senile evasion and nothing worthwhile to learn from you. ( like the horrific lynchings in Texas, you can't handle the truth) Message 29938388 Kirvin, Texas... where three black men, two of them almost certainly innocent, were accused of killing a white woman and, under the gaze of hundreds of soda-drinking spectators, were CASTRATED, stabbed, beaten, tied to a plow and SET FIRE in the spring of 1922."