To: longnshort who wrote (839956 ) 3/2/2015 8:32:45 AM From: joseffy Respond to of 1572838 If there were no harm associated with the "green" policies, then it would not matter, but people are actually being harmed right now by energy poverty. People in Germany are illegally cutting wood in the historic Black Forest, just to heat their homes and stay alive. People are being forced to decide between heat and food, due to the massive increases in energy prices in Ontario, so that we can pay 15x the market rate for wind electricity and be forced to pay the Americans to take our excess electricity. Meanwhile, the only true green energy in Canada; hydroelectric power, has to be shut down to keep from destabilizing the grid when the wind is blowing. That's right, water is diverted from the turbines at Niagara Falls, so you can pay 15x the rate to subsidize big green. Don't lie to yourself, those are not wind farms, they are not farming the wind, they are farming the subsidies and taking money out of your pocket by theft. <edit> The real question is, how can you still believe in anthropogenic global warming when all the models have given FAILED predictions, every single time? When every catastrophic prediction since the 1980's has come and gone without the climate armageddon promised. How long do you keep believing in this doomsday cult? If this offends you, and cannot be questioned, does that mean it is your religion? The US is at historic lows for hurricanes. All studies show that there are not, in fact, more extreme weather occurances. Why does the Australian Met office say that last year's heat wave was the hottest on record, then only include the records since 1900? There was a heat wave in Australia in the late 1800's that lasted far longer, was hotter, and killed hundreds of people. There are actual temperature records and newpaper reports from that time in Australian history. These are facts, not predictions of computer models, desgined by fallible humans. Please read Anthony Watts (retired meteoroligist and statistician), Steve McIntyre (statistician: he killed the Hockey stick) , Bjorn Lomborg (a believer, who will show you the societal cost to these policies), Judith Curry (climate scientist extraordinaire at Georgia Tech, who was excoriated for expressing scientific doubt) , and Steve Goddard (who has proven that the temperature records of the past are being illegally and unethically lowered to make the present appear warmer), as well as www.Jonova.com & www.nofrakkinconsensus.com and make an informed decision. Research Climategate and read the leaked emails for yourselves. I cannot fault anyone for buying into this, originally, I had too. The news media has been hard selling it for years. When you do an internet search and most of the results tell you something is true, does that mean that it is true? You may get angry with me for suggesting that you have been duped, so go do the math and research for yourselves. Is it possible that you have been lied to? When they give a stat like: 97% of all scientists agree, it sounds compelling. Isn't it interesting how that study looked at 10,000 papers and out of those, only chose 70 something to claim a 97% consensus from? Once you've made the decision to look at it as a scientist and look for actual proof, you have to question who actually benefits from keeping the lie alive. Hint: it isn't us. Article