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To: Bearded One who wrote (15067)	12/18/1997 3:41:00 PM
From: nommedeguerre	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 24154

Bearded One, "Microsft cannot, through the shell game of defining Windows95 without Internet browser software as Microsoft sees fit, render the injunction meaningless", the DOJ motion said. Oh, those clever Microsoft lawyers, they are always one step ahead of the laws that bind the rest of us in the business world. "At the same time as it rewrites the preliminary injunction to fit its theory of the case, Microsoft continues to impair consumer choice and cause the very marketplace harm that the court by its injunction intended to prevent," the motion continued. Reggie, any comment on the side-splitting 'continues to impair consumer choice' line and how about the hilarious 'cause the very marketplace harm' barb. Those DOJ 'I interpret the law every day' folks have shown that I'm not the only person who can bring down the Web with anti-Bill one-liners. I'll bet the MSFT legal Blue-Max's are glowing with pride at the way they side-slipped The System. Not all of us are clever enough to "affront the court's authority" or be in "flagrant violation of the court". Always pushing the envelope, Microsoft takes cleverness to new heights and at a Federal level no less. Impressive -- I want to be a hero too! Cheers, Norm

To: Bearded One who wrote (15067)	12/18/1997 3:43:00 PM
From: Daniel Schuh	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 24154

Pulling The Plug On IE zdnet.com Much loved ilk sister Mary Jo Foley here, but this isn't an opinion piece. Rather, straightforward technical discussion of what it means to remove IE, from the OEMs that love Bill so. But hardware vendors have told DOJ representatives that it is relatively simple to remove IE files from the most recent, commercially available version of Windows 95, called OSR2. Microsoft shipped OSR2 to OEMs, original equipment manufacturers, in the fall of 1996 for preinstallation on new hardware. But it's not something the poor sucker retail customers would want, is it? The facility with which OEMs can remove IE 4.01 files from OSR2.5 -- the latest version of Windows 95, which Microsoft began delivering to OEMs last week -- is also at issue. OEMs said that removal of IE from the most up-to-date Windows 95 release is also fairly trivial. "It's relatively easy to uninstall IE 4 in this release [OSR2.5]," said Dan Sigman, software marketing program manager at Unisys. Sigman noted that with OSR2.5, customers can easily add browsers from competitive vendors, as well. But of course, something else is going on here. One software developer working with the most recent Windows 95 releases, as well as with Windows 98 beta code, noted that with each Windows release, Microsoft is making it progressively more difficult to separate IE from the base operating system. "Vast parts of Windows 98 use IE. If you took it out, it just wouldn't work," said the developer, who requested anonymity. "The Microsoft guys are going IE-wild, especially when it comes to including their version of HTML [MSHTML] in the operating system. They're making IE a necessary component through usage." And this is a technically wise, in fact a necessity. Just like the technical lock aka monopolist death grip. Cheers, Dan.

To: Bearded One who wrote (15067)	12/18/1997 8:33:00 PM
From: John F. Dowd	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 24154

It seems that DOJ is pursuing this matter on a trial and error basis. This new petition is a sad and thinly disguised admission that they oopsed on the first petition. With the exception of the DOJ getting into the beta testing business before anything is launched to the public it would seem it would be easier for MSFT to comply under these constraints than the mission impossible framed by the judge in his injunction. And if you guys think it's a good deal to have the government in the software business goodluck to all of you PC owners.