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To: TimF who wrote (90781)5/11/2015 3:10:49 PM
From: TimF  Respond to of 90947
 
Student Op-Ed: ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Not Enough Because Sometimes ‘Yes Means No’
by Katherine Timpf May 4, 2015

Apparently, you can be “raped by rape culture.” When it comes to consent, it’s not enough to teach that “no means no” or even that only “yes means yes” — because sometimes “yes” can actually mean “no.” At least that’s the point of view expressed in an op-ed written by Jordan Bosiljevac for Claremont McKenna College’s student newspaper, the Forum.

In the piece, Bosiljevac explains that she and her friends even came up with a phrase to describe someone having sex with you who you didn’t want to have sex with even though you told him that you did, which they apparently consider a form of rape: “We coined the term ‘raped by rape culture’ to describe what it was like to say yes, coerced by the culture that had raised us and the systems of power that worked on us, and to still want ‘no,’” she writes in the April 30 article, titled “Why Yes Can Mean No.”

Bosiljevac writes that she’s been dealing with the oppression of this culture her whole life — beginning with having to endure relatives kissing her cheeks “even as I winced and turned away” — and that it continues to influence her sexual decision-making abilities, almost to the point where she doesn’t seem to think she really has any ability to make those decisions at all. She describes one incident in particular in which she had hooked up with a guy who had asked her outright if she was okay with what was happening and she had told him “yes” — explaining that even though she had said “yes,” she had really meant “no,” and it wasn’t really entirely her fault that she couldn’t just say what she wanted: “Sometimes, for me, there was obligation from already having gone back to someone’s room, not wanting to ruin a good friendship, loneliness, worry that no one else would ever be interested, a fear that if I did say no, they might not stop, the influence of alcohol, and an understanding that hookups are ‘supposed’ to be fun,” she writes.

Bosiljevac also throws racism and homophobia into the blame-game mix, asserting that “consent is a privilege, and it was built for wealthy, heterosexual, cis, white, western, able-bodied masculinity. . . . When you’re poor, disabled, queer, non-white, trans, or feminine, ‘no’ isn’t for you.” She does, however, clarify that you can actually be a person in one of these groups, or, as she explains it, “a person oppressed in these systems of power,” and still be capable of having “empowering consensual experiences.” Yep — even if you’re a female, you’re still capable of maybe actually wanting to have sex and enjoying it sometimes! Glad she clarified. If she hadn’t, I would have never imagined such a thing could be possible. So what do we do? After all, there’s no way to tell if a woman is actually wanting to have sex or just saying that she wants to have sex even though she doesn’t because she’s a helpless victim of male oppression that makes it impossible for her to use the right words. Lest you think Bosiljevac is just complaining, she does offer a solution: “First, we have to realize that all oppression is connected, and all rape is racist, classist, ableist, patriarchal, hetero and cissexist,” she writes. “We cannot make consent available to all if we are not simultaneously disrupting these structures.”

— Katherine Timpf is a reporter for National Review Online.
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College Men Attacked After Rape Columns
by Jennifer Kabbany September 23, 2014

Twice in the last two weeks, The College Fix has reported on college men who have offered their thoughts on the so-called campus rape epidemic and been vilified and smeared as a result. On Sept. 11 of all days, campus feminists actually held a two-hour rally at the University of Arizona against a male student newspaper columnist after his piece “Only Responsibility Can Prevent Rape” enraged some on the campus community as victim-blaming and misogynistic. What had this young man dared to suggest? In addition to watching their alcohol intake, he wrote: “Girls — go out in groups, keep an eye on each other, designate a driver. And bring your common sense. When it’s 2 a.m. and a guy invites you to his room, it isn’t to show you his baseball card collection. Plan ahead. Tell your girlfriends whether or not you plan to or want to hook up that night.” Advice I’d tell my own daughter, but in the upside-down college world, it’s a hate crime or something. Yesterday, The Fix also reported on an openly conservative student columnist at Cornell University who has been the target an ugly and malicious vandalism smear campaign. He had his name and face plastered on fliers spread around the Ivy League university that labeled him a “Racist Rape Apologist.” His crime? His “The Truth About ‘Rape Culture’” column questioned the stats behind the so-called campus rape epidemic and defended due process for those accused of sexual assault, and his “Should California Redefine Campus Sexual Assault?” questioned “affirmative consent,” saying it’s an invasion of privacy and a potential legal nightmare. But this is often the state of open discourse and a diversity of opinions at college campuses today, where Leftist ideas rule. Any question or challenges to those viewpoints are shouted down and often silenced with name-calling, ad hominem attacks and baseless accusations.

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To: TimF who wrote (90781)6/3/2015 10:34:59 AM
From: TimF  Respond to of 90947
 
wicked_sprite Marshala day ago

I think the victimization sub-culture that the left enables is a huge contributor to these people's failure to emotionally develop. They don't have to.

Case in point. I was pushed out of a promotion and a job by a SJW co-worker. She was a nice enough girl on the surface, but a hot mess underneath. She was in her mid-40's, childless not by choice, married to a loser man who claimed to be disabled due to mental illness, yet didn't quality for disability. He was her third husband and he sat around all day playing video games while she worked long hours. (She did have a strong work ethic, I will give her that.) She was all up in all sorts of causes, and felt hugely oppressed as a woman, despite having a well paying professional job and working for a female VP.

Anyway, one day over lunch she mentioned she was an unabashed communist and felt it was largely misunderstood. I told her I felt that the millions dead via communism was reason to feel it was morally wrong and a political dead end. She bristled, "You're saying I am a morally wrong person!?!" I replied, "No, I feel communism is a moral wrong."

She reported me to HR for assault. I kid you not. Now, this went nowhere mind you and the case was dropped for an astounding lack of evidence but not before the following happened:

1) All of my emails, Lync messages, and personal desk belongings were confiscated and searched for evidence. This was done very publically and created quite the office gossip.

2) I lost my promotion, as promotions cannot be given when HR violations are being investigated, and it took them two months to fully investigate, whereas my current job was also hanging in the balance.

3) My "assault" charge spread like wildfire throughout the company. Many people who didn't know either of us took sides. I was denied projects, respect, and even received a death threat in my mailbox. Over saying I felt communism was immoral, mind you. The whole thing blew up and people started believing I actually assaulted this woman. (I am also a woman in my mid-40's, so I'll let that also sink in.)

Eventually the charges were dropped but my reputation was ruined and I eventually left the company. I went from being a star employee in line for a promotion, to quitting under the pressure in just a few months.

Here's the icing on the cake. Apparently this woman goes on and on about how SHE was persecuted and assaulted for her beliefs. She really believed justice was served here. She really, REALLY feels she was the victim because disagreement now equals assault in her eyes. This is what we are dealing with. My story is almost unbelievable I know. I wouldn't believe it if it hadn't happened to me, so I won't be hurt if you, the reader, don't believe it either.

I'm doing well now in a far less PC environment, but I'll admit I'm scared. I can't lose another job. We need my income to support my family. I keep quiet and do and say what I am supposed to. It's only online under anonymous names that I will speak my mind.

So, are SJW's sociopath or just mal-adjusted? Does it matter? She won. I was crushed. She was rewarded. We will see more of the same as long as this tactic works for them. She's since leveled three more HR complaints against co-workers. The company doesn't dare let her go. And she gets to stay the victim too!!

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Marshal > wicked_spritea day ago

I think their self-reinforcing culture convinces people that normal issues are somehow elevated from disagreement to something actionable. This is awful, as is your story.

But mostly this occurs because they have figured out how to neuter any response. In a decent world that person would have been fired for trying to use the HR policy as a weapon. She should have feared this, but didn't. Your experience is much like the campus rape hysterics who are not a majority, but are effectively unopposed and thus never suffer consequence for their actions. This is because (a) they have been able to set the standards either through institutional control or through political / social pressure and (b) those on the left who disagree with their tactics won't actually fight them.

So key to resolving this issue is for people like Laura Kipnis to act - and for those of us who have been fighting this for decades to frame the issue widely so Kipnis et al don't get away with protecting themselves while leaving everyone else at risk.

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