To: Brumar89 who wrote (862960 ) 6/6/2015 11:53:26 AM From: Wharf Rat Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1578704 Michael Bastasch may have lied to promote Koch Bros Agenda.... The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias wherein unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority , mistakenly assessing their ability to be much higher than is accurate. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their ineptitude. Speaking of which, The perversity of deniers - and the "pause" that never was with Tom Peterson Sou | 9:11 PM Below is a TedX talk from Dr Tom Peterson on "What is Science: How it Differs from Art, Law and Quackery ":VIDEO Tom quoted Stephen Jay Gould , Harvard geologist, from the video (which provided the title for this article): Science does not deal in certainty, so "fact" can only mean a proposition affirmed to such a high degree it would be perverse to withhold one's provisional assent. What follows is copied from a comment posted here at HotWhopper, from Tom Peterson of NOAA, co-author of the new paper in Science , and President of the WMO Commission for Climatology . The email exchange is about a subject of much recent discussion - the new Science paper, which I described here (with lots of links at the bottom for further reading). Tom has subsequently confirmed the email exchange and kindly gave me permission to repost his comment as a blog article. Apart from remarking on Anthony's conspiracy ideation, there's not really anything more I need add. The exchange speaks for itself - and speaks volumes. Email exchange between Anthony Watts and Tom Peterson Dear Sou et al., I thought you might find an email exchange I had yesterday with Anthony Watts interesting. 16 hours ago I received this email from Anthony Watts: Dear Dr. Peterson,This latest paper, Karl et al. 2015 is an embarrassment to science. It epitomizes president Eisenhower’s second warning in his farewell address about science and politics becoming hopelessly intertwined, and thus corrupted.In my last telephone conversation with you, I stated (paraphrasing) that “I believe you folks aren’t doing anything fraudulent, but you are doing what you feel is correct science in what you believe is a correct way”.After seeing the desperate tricks pulled in Karl 2015 to erase “the pause” via data manipulation, I no longer hold that opinion. You needed it to go away, so you prostituted yourselves, perhaps at the direction of higher ups.This will be NCDC’s Waterloo, and will backfire on all of you terribly on the world stage. Take a lesson from Yamamoto’s own observation after he bombed Pearl Harbor. Take a lesson from what is on WUWT today.How sad for you all.Anthony Wattscc: [undisclosed recipients] *********************** 14 hours ago I sent Anthony Watts this email response: Dear Mr. Watts,As you might imagine, my views about our paper and our motives are somewhat different than yours. To explain why, I should start by explaining my views on what science is and how it works.Hereyoutube.com a 14 minute TEDxAsheville talk I gave in January on What is Science. While I can't do justice to a 14 minute talk in a single sentence, the bottom line is that science is the result of tests.So let me give you two examples from our paper. One of the new adjustments we are applying is extending the corrections to ship data, based on information derived from night marine air temperatures, up to the present (we had previously stopped in the 1940s). As we write in the article's on-line supplement, "This correction cools the ship data a bit more in 1998-2000 than it does in the later years, which thereby adds to the warming trend. To evaluate the robustness of this correction, trends of the corrected and uncorrected ship data were compared to co-located buoy data without the offset added. As the buoy data did not include the offset the buoy data are independent of the ship data. The trend of uncorrected ship minus buoy data was -0.066°C dec-1 while the trend in corrected ship minus buoy data was -0.002°C dec-1. This close agreement in the trend of the corrected ship data indicates that these time dependent ship adjustments did indeed correct an artifact in ship data impacting the trend over this hiatus period."The second example I will pose as a question. We tested the difference between buoys and ships by comparing all the co-located ship and buoy data available in the entire world. The result was that buoy data averaged 0.12 degrees C colder than the ships. We also know that the number of buoys has dramatically increased over the last several decades. Adding more colder observations in recent years can't help but add a cool bias to the raw data. What would you recommend we do about it? Leave a known bias in the data or correct the data for the bias? The resulting trend would be the same whether we added 0.12 C to all buoy data or subtracted 0.12 C from all ship data.You are, of course, welcome to share this with your readers (or not), as you deem appropriate.Regards,Tom **************** 13 hours ago I received this email reply from Anthony Watts: Thank you for the reply.I’ll consider and advise.Anthony ******************* And that is the last I heard from Anthony up to now. Anthony hasn't yet taken Dr Peterson up on his offer to post his comment at WUWT. If you want to share it with the WUWT-ians, feel free :)blog.hotwhopper.com