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To: Reginald Middleton who wrote (15171)	12/19/1997 7:32:00 PM
From: Justin Banks	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 24154

Reg- I never learned on a MSFT app, so according to your logic, I should not think MSFT is the best. No, according to my logic, you know how to use MSFT products well, so you think they're the best. I don't know where you got the whole learning thing. They are everywhere because they were better. Maybe not in the beginning, but in the end, yes. I could run down a list , but it would be fruitless. No, Reg, they are everywhere because MSFT got some killer licensing deals in the beginning, and caught the PC wave right at the right time. It doesn't have anything to do with good products, it's got everything to do with being first to market (no matter the quality), great marketing, and unscrupulous management. I never said they were new or great, I said that they were implemented for PC productivity software. You told me I didn't know what I was talking about and challenged me to name products, which I did. Yup, I challenged you to name MSFT products that use AI. You didn't. You gave me more examples of stuff MSFT has co-opted from other areas, which has then been labled as 'new' and 'groundbreaking'. -justinb

To: Reginald Middleton who wrote (15171)	12/19/1997 11:46:00 PM
From: Charles Hughes	Respond to of 24154

>>><It is my opinion, and apparently that of lots of others, that MSFT has been using unfair, and probably illegal, tactics to get their products onto the desktop.> We have been through this before. MSFT got to the desktop because the industry leaders of the time decided to develop for OS/2 instead of Windows, and they missed the Tornado.<<< This is a strange comment. Perhaps you will recall that OS/2 was a Microsoft product for many years. Moreover, it was a better platform for many applications than Windows 3.0, the windows extant at the time of the MSFT/IBM OS2 spat and breakup. That must be the time period you are talking about, because nobody big in software but IBM took OS2 development seriously after 1993. They did ports, mainly. As soon as there was a semi-stable Windows, v3.1, everybody in the software development world started developing for it. A lot of them got the Redmond shaft, of course. >>><The features you mentioned wrt. MSFT products (auto. completion, context sensitive help, etc.) have been available in my favorite application (emacs) since the 1970s. It's wierd that you think that just because MSFT put them into software that they're new and/or great.> I never said they were new or great, I said that they were implemented for PC productivity software. You told me I didn't know what I was talking about and challenged me to name products, which I did. Let's keep the story straight, five minutes is not long enough for me to forget the "actual" course of events.<<< I think that: "five minutes is not long enough for me to forget the "actual" course of events" is clearly wrong. Because what you actually said was that these were examples of AI in Microsoft products, and you had lauded that AI capability in the note immediately previous. Moreover, you have to have a dim perception of the software research landscape to call these things AI, which they most categorically are not. Cheers, Chaz