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To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (867090)	6/22/2015 8:35:39 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1577083

It could have been worse. What Bruce is alluding to is there are several different universal constants that if they had slightly different values, life would be impossible. Now these universal constants are thought to take on their values when the universe is created. And there is no reason to suspect that the values are anything but random. This is considered by some a sign that some higher power specifically shaped our universe to support life. The problem is, this almost certainly isn't the only universe. There are some gravitational anomalies, masses of galaxies moving in certain directions, that could be explained by a nearby universe that is too far for light to reach us, but their gravitational fields can. There is every reason to believe that if there are multiple universes then there is a whole bunch not just some small number. So if that is true, then the fact that at least one of those universes has universal constants that support life is not a huge surprise. There is a TED talk on this subject. ted.com

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (867090)	6/22/2015 8:51:05 PM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 1577083

Physicists say otherwise. Discover Magazine tackled the fine-tuning problem in a December 2008 article titled “A Universe Built For Us.” You might enjoy reading it to discover what they’ve wrapped around this enticing introductory material: .... There are many such examples of the universe’s life-friendly properties—so many, in fact, that physicists can’t dismiss them all as mere accidents.“We have a lot of really, really strange coincidences, and all of these coincidences are such that they make life possible,” Linde says. Physicists don’t like coincidences. They like even less the notion that life is somehow central to the universe, and yet recent discoveries are forcing them to confront that very idea. Life, it seems, is not an incidental component of the universe, burped up out of a random chemical brew on a lonely planet…. In some strange sense, it appears that we are not adapted to the universe; the universe is adapted to us. Call it a fluke, a mystery, a miracle. Or call it the biggest problem in physics. Short of invoking a benevolent creator, many physicists see only one possible explanation: Our universe may be but one of perhaps infinitely many universes in an inconceivably vast multiverse. ............ “If there is only one universe,” Carr says, “you might have to have a fine-tuner. If you don’t want God, you’d better have a multiverse.” ......... thinkingchristian.net discovermagazine.com