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To: Maxwell who wrote (27002)	12/20/1997 12:36:00 AM
From: Kevin K. Spurway	Respond to of 1574091

Check out the reviews at www.anandtech.com if you haven't already. Please let us know what you end up using and how it works out; the Biostar board in my CyberMax box offers good performance but I can't overclock it at all, so eventually I'll be getting a new board so I can play. :)

To: Maxwell who wrote (27002)	12/20/1997 12:38:00 AM
From: Buckwheat	Respond to of 1574091

Maxwell, Don't have any personal ezperience with the Shuttle boards, but I have been told by a couple of vendors that the cheaper boards (Abit, Shuttle, etc) are not as dependable as the higher priced boards (Asus or Tyan for example). If the systen was going to be used for critical type operations/applications, I would go with a premium board and take a few percentage points performance hit. The TX boards are almost without exception a little slower than the VIA chipset boards. The TX boards also take a small performance hit when loaded up with more than 64 Mb of memory. The premium boards also offer timely flash BIOS upgrades on the internet. The FIC board (VIA chipset) might be worth inquiring about further. I would be kind of hesitant about using the 83 Mhz bus on any board. I'm not sure that many PCI or ISA cards operate reliably at the increased bus speeds. Most would be more reliable at the 75 Mhz setting. I know I haven't answered your question but I think I've presented some important considerations. Buckwheat

To: Maxwell who wrote (27002)	12/20/1997 12:49:00 AM
From: Investor A	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574091

Maxwell, I don't have Shuttle 569 or 603 and am not sure if either of them could run 83Mhz bus speed reliably. For 83Mhz bus speed, I would recommend the following two boards: 1) PC-Chip TXPro3 with 1MB cache. This board uses Ali Alladin IV+ chipset. With Ali bus master driver, this board could be the fastest socket 7 motherboard under Win95. sybercom.com 2) Asus SP97-V: This board uses SIS 5598 with 64-bit VGA accompanied with PS2 socket. This board is as good as Asus most famous T2P4 if not better. This board caches up to 128MB. It supports .25u K6 2.1V tccomputers.com Both boards have very stable 83Mhz bus speed and overclock friendly. Both are also quite RAM friendly even at 83Mhz bus speed. 60ns EDO/FPU are just fine for them. For your reference, I just run benchmarks on PC-Chip TXPro (not TXPro3) exchange2000.com Fuchi

To: Maxwell who wrote (27002)	12/20/1997 3:05:00 AM
From: Kashish King	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574091

Having an 83Mhz bus isn't a valid goal although having a fast overall machine obviously is. We are on the cusp of new technology so waiting is probably the best strategy. Barring that, consider a dual processor system running NT.

To: Maxwell who wrote (27002)	12/20/1997 1:05:00 PM
From: Yousef	Respond to of 1574091

Maxwell, Re: "Earlier question ..." Did you ever get an answer as to why AMD is using oxide spacers ... versus nitride spacers ?? Make It So, Yousef

To: Maxwell who wrote (27002)	12/21/1997 12:54:00 AM
From: Petz	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1574091

Maxwell, I just BOUGHT a Shuttle 603 with 1M cache for $125, along with a K6-166 and 64M SDRAM. The manual is on CDROM and I'll post something soon on it. By inspection it has 66, 68(?), 75 and 83 MHz bus speeds (plus some slow ones) and it has 2.1v for future CPU's as well as all the standard voltages. The 3.2v and 3.3v settings might come in handy for overclocking. I'm hoping to overclock to 75 x 2.5 (187.5 MHz) or 83 x 2.5 (208 MHz) by upping the voltage a little with a good fan. Figured it wasn't worth getting a 233 because I'll be replacing the CPU with a 266 or 300 when available. Petz